Would you trade down with the Bengals for less than face value?

Coogs · 04-11-2009, 09:24 AM

The Bengals seem to be targeting an OT. If the Lions go Stafford and the Rams go with Smith, If the Bengals (11 total picks) called and offered their #6 pick worth 1600 points, a 3rd (they have two 3rds), pick #70 worth 240 points, and maybe a 6th (they have two 6ths) pick 179 worth 20 points?

Then at pick #6, I would think more trade down options would be available, as trading up to the #6 spot is not as daunting of a task as moving up to #3.

Except a little less to gain more leverage in the draft so to speak.

Cosmos · 04-11-2009, 09:55 AM

Who would you expect to be there at #6 that you would want.

Would you consider trading out of 6 again, and into the teens?

Coogs · 04-11-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmos

Who would you expect to be there at #6 that you would want.

Would you consider trading out of 6 again, and into the teens?

Second scenario would be more what I was thinking. From #6, we might even be able to trade down a couple more times and come up with 2 or 3 or maybe even 4 first day selections.

DrRyan · 04-11-2009, 10:01 AM

I would have to see the Chiefs getting the Bengals second round pick at minimum to be happy with that trade. Their first, a third and a sixth is not gonna get that done. Their first, second and sixth maybe, but it is still not getting great value. If the Chiefs are able to trade down, it is very unlikely that they will get full point value on the draft value chart this year. If they are able to, Pioli will have to show some savvy negotiating skills.

Coogs · 04-11-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

I would have to see the Chiefs getting the Bengals second round pick at minimum to be happy with that trade. Their first, a third and a sixth is not gonna get that done. Their first, second and sixth maybe, but it is still not getting great value. If the Chiefs are able to trade down, it is very unlikely that they will get full point value on the draft value chart this year. If they are able to, Pioli will have to show some savvy negotiating skills.

That is the part I am talking about. Then combine it with my lates post, and parlay it into first day picks. Something I'm not sure you could do by trading straight up for the #3 spot due to the cost of the #3 spot.

Coogs · 04-11-2009, 10:23 AM

Say maybe Jacksonville wants to jump in front to the Raiders and trades #8 and #72.

Then maybe the Eagles thing could happen #8 for #21 and #28.

Picks

#21
#28
#67
#70
#72

We could either stand pat then and have 3 high 3rd rounders, or package some of those to move up into the 2nd round.

That would be 1890 points on the 2200 we started with. While not exactly perfect, it turns 1 player into 4 early selections and 1 later in the 2nd day pick.

Just a thought.

Chris Meck · 04-11-2009, 10:21 AM

honestly? I'd trade down into the middle of the first for a second rounder. Just period.

Mr. Krab · 04-11-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

honestly? I'd trade down into the middle of the first for a second rounder. Just period.

Just stupid

scratch that, just moronic

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**The Bad Guy** · 04-11-2009, 12:57 PM

That is beyond stupid. I'm not dropping 14 spots to get just a second rounder.

I don't care how shallow the top of this draft is.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-11-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

That is beyond stupid. I'm not dropping 14 spots to get just a second rounder.

I don't care how shallow the top of this draft is.

I fully disagree.

EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE has said that in this draft, there's no difference between the #3 and the #23. There just isn't any high-end talent. No Mario Williams. No Eli Manning. No one that stands out from the pack.

If you can move down 14 spots, pick up a player that you'd not only pay 10's of millions less, you could also get a player in a position that would immediately benefit the Chiefs (such as DHB).

AND you'd get a second rounder.

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

ChiefsCountry · 04-11-2009, 02:50 PM

Cleveland is the more likely trade partner IMO. They got the ammo and love Curry.

Coogs · 04-11-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Cleveland is the more likely trade partner IMO. They got the ammo and love Curry.

As of right now, they only have 5 draft picks. 1 first, 2 seconds, 1 forth, 1 sixth.

**the Talking Can** · 04-11-2009, 04:51 PM

Pioli isn't bending over for anyone...

and we aren't moving anywhere for less than a 2nd, or a 1st next year...i'd wager a lot on that....

dropping from 3 to 6 is worth a low first/high second, screw taking a third...you're not getting even half the value....f that

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-11-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Pioli isn't bending over for anyone...

and we aren't moving anywhere for less than a 2nd, or a 1st next year...i'd wager a lot on that....

dropping from 3 to 6 is worth a low first/high second, screw taking a third...you're not getting even half the value....f that

You guys that think like this act as if the Chiefs roster is absolutely loaded with talent.

It's not. It's not even close.

The Chiefs should take the money and run.

Rebuild this shitty ****ing roster.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-11-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You guys that think like this act as if the Chiefs roster is absolutely loaded with talent.

It's not. It's not even close.

The Chiefs should take the money and run.

Rebuild this shitty ****ing roster.

I'm not acting like anything.

I don't care what this draft looks like on paper, I'm not moving down 14 spots for just a second rounder. No how, no way.

04-11-2009, 09:24 AM	Topic Starter
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2325651	Would you trade down with the Bengals for less than face value? The Bengals seem to be targeting an OT. If the Lions go Stafford and the Rams go with Smith, If the Bengals (11 total picks) called and offered their #6 pick worth 1600 points, a 3rd (they have two 3rds), pick #70 worth 240 points, and maybe a 6th (they have two 6ths) pick 179 worth 20 points? Then at pick #6, I would think more trade down options would be available, as trading up to the #6 spot is not as daunting of a task as moving up to #3. Except a little less to gain more leverage in the draft so to speak.
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04-11-2009, 10:01 AM	#4
DrRyan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: AZ Casino cash: $4501721	I would have to see the Chiefs getting the Bengals second round pick at minimum to be happy with that trade. Their first, a third and a sixth is not gonna get that done. Their first, second and sixth maybe, but it is still not getting great value. If the Chiefs are able to trade down, it is very unlikely that they will get full point value on the draft value chart this year. If they are able to, Pioli will have to show some savvy negotiating skills.
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04-11-2009, 09:55 AM	#2
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2325651	Say maybe Jacksonville wants to jump in front to the Raiders and trades #8 and #72. Then maybe the Eagles thing could happen #8 for #21 and #28. Picks #21 #28 #67 #70 #72 We could either stand pat then and have 3 high 3rd rounders, or package some of those to move up into the 2nd round. That would be 1890 points on the 2200 we started with. While not exactly perfect, it turns 1 player into 4 early selections and 1 later in the 2nd day pick. Just a thought.
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04-11-2009, 10:21 AM	#7
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