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**Tribal Warfare** · 06-25-2009, 12:43 AM

Cavs land Shaq for Wallace, Pavlovic

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports and Johnny Ludden 2 hours, 38 minutes ago

The Cleveland Cavaliers have reached an agreement in principle to acquire Phoenix Suns center Shaquille O’Neal(notes), multiple sources involved in the talks told Yahoo! Sports late Thursday night.

Cleveland will send Ben Wallace(notes), Sasha Pavlovic(notes), the 46th pick in Thursday’s draft and cash to the Suns for O’Neal.

Cleveland and Phoenix were both juggling multiple trade possibilities with other teams, with the Cavs involved with as many as six trade scenarios.

Yet the disappointing Eastern Conference finals loss to the Orlando Magic left Cavs GM Danny Ferry with incredible pressure to accumulate talent around James in the final season prior to his 2010 free agency. James has blessed the O’Neal trade, especially because it should give his overmatched frontline a chance to compete with Dwight Howard in the playoffs. Ferry and Phoenix GM Steve Kerr are close friends and had talked off and on about a Shaq deal since the February trade deadline.

O’Neal, 37, makes $21 million next season, and the Suns were determined to move him in a package that would save them money. Wallace made $14 million and could take a buyout to retire, and only $1.5 million of Pavlovic’s $4.9 million salary is guaranteed.

**pr_capone** · 06-25-2009, 12:45 AM

Shaq stopped being relevant in the NBA a few years ago.

That said, the Big Aristotle can help the Cavs win a championship if he stays healthy.

Valiant · 06-25-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

Shaq stopped being relevant in the NBA a few years ago.

That said, the Big Aristotle can help the Cavs win a championship if he stays healthy.

It will never happen..

BWillie · 06-25-2009, 10:49 AM

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It will never happen..

He played in 75 games last year.

Basileus777 · 06-25-2009, 01:05 AM

People said Shaq was done last year.

Then he came back and averaged 18/8 on 61% shooting with 1.4bpg in 30 mins.

Shaq isn't what he used to be, but he's still a legit post scorer.

I don't know why Phoenix made this trade. Is Sasha Pavlovic, a bad draft pick, and some cash really worth the difference between Shaq and Wallace considering both are on expiring contracts?

Miles · 06-25-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

People said Shaq was done last year.

Then he came back and averaged 18/8 on 61% shooting with 1.4bpg in 30 mins.

Shaq isn't what he used to be, but he's still a legit post scorer.

Yep. He is old but still seems to have enough left for one last run. He was definitly among the top C's last season. Hell after Howard and Yao he is probably still the 3rd best at his position going into next year.

Also has the added bonus for the Cavs of having two of the most likable personalities in the league on their team.

Mecca · 06-25-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

People said Shaq was done last year.

Then he came back and averaged 18/8 on 61% shooting with 1.4bpg in 30 mins.

Shaq isn't what he used to be, but he's still a legit post scorer.

I don't know why Phoenix made this trade. Is Sasha Pavlovic, a bad draft pick, and some cash really worth the difference between Shaq and Wallace considering both are on expiring contracts?

It has to do with money the Suns are kind of cheap.

kcxiv · 06-25-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It has to do with money the Suns are kind of cheap.

Still have to pay the money to Wallace he's making 16 million, plus the 3-4 Sasha is owed.

Basileus777 · 06-25-2009, 02:03 AM

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Still have to pay the money to Wallace he's making 16 million, plus the 3-4 Sasha is owed.

I think they are hoping Wallace will retire and they can buy him out. He's hinted that he might do it. They didn't save money from the actual deal as the contracts match-up and Shaq is an expiring. They also only got $500,000 in cash.

kcxiv · 06-25-2009, 02:28 AM

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I think they are hoping Wallace will retire and they can buy him out. He's hinted that he might do it. They didn't save money from the actual deal as the contracts match-up and Shaq is an expiring. They also only got $500,000 in cash.

ya, i seen that after i posted that. If i was him though, i would just play the season out. Thats alot of money and he's at the end of his career. 16 million is alot of cheese to throw away for 1 nba season even if you are on the bench. I would just will through it. lol

Also, the Suns were losing money last year. So you can say cheap or whatever, but when ya lose money, you gotta make changes. lo.l

DrRyan · 06-25-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

People said Shaq was done last year.
I don't know why Phoenix made this trade. Is Sasha Pavlovic, a bad draft pick, and some cash really worth the difference between Shaq and Wallace considering both are on expiring contracts?

Ben Wallace has been quoted as saying he may retire. He will "talk it over" with his family before making a decision on whether he will play next season.

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It's only a problem if they play Varejao at PF next to him. The Cavs need to sign and trade Varejao or let him go elsewhere and get a 4 that can shoot, someone like Mcdyess or Sheed.

Cleveland just got a player at the C position that changes a team's entire defensive dynamic, and all it cost them was Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic. They just threw out two virtual nobodies for a heck of a center. For all Shaq's weaknesses, he's still an intimidator in the paint, a strong rebounder, and a mega efficient post presence. Shaq's excellent ability to pass out of the post alone is a significant upgrade. And since neither Shaq nor Big Z can play big minutes, you can have a nice rotation with the two of them.

Shaq does change a teams entire dynamic. Both offensive and defensive. You do realize that pick and roll defense is what cost the Cavs the series against Orlando. Trust me, the Cavs pick and roll D just got worse, much worse.

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Still have to pay the money to Wallace he's making 16 million, plus the 3-4 Sasha is owed.

See above, entirely possible that Wallace does not play this season.

Basileus777 · 06-25-2009, 03:55 PM

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Trust me, the Cavs pick and roll D just got worse, much worse.

Shaq's a terrible pick and roll defender, but that's not much of a change from the slow-footed Big Z.

**jAZ** · 06-25-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

...the Suns are kind of cheap.

Yes, definately, so this is probably true...

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It has to do with money...

Mr. Arrowhead · 06-25-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

People said Shaq was done last year.

Then he came back and averaged 18/8 on 61% shooting with 1.4bpg in 30 mins.

Shaq isn't what he used to be, but he's still a legit post scorer.

I don't know why Phoenix made this trade. Is Sasha Pavlovic, a bad draft pick, and some cash really worth the difference between Shaq and Wallace considering both are on expiring contracts?

it wouldnt be a shock if either of those player ever play for phoenix, Ben wallace will prolly retire and sasha could get released. The suns made this move to save 10.5 million dollars

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