Football "Kyle Orton is for real"

Quesadilla Joe · 06-25-2009, 11:31 AM

October 20, 2008
BY GREG COUCH Sun-Times Columnist
Kyle Orton was ready to take the snap and saw something in the defense that didn’t look right. So he backed away, changed the play call, walked down the offensive line and yelled out what he was doing, pointed to players and told them what positions to move into.

He looked like Peyton Manning. Of course, with people sitting around me, I didn’t say that out loud. It would have been embarrassing.

Then he dropped back into the shotgun formation and fired an 18-yard touchdown pass into tight end Greg Olsen’s chest.

The Bears beat the Minnesota Vikings 48-41 on Sunday to remain tied for first place in a style Chicagoans haven’t seen before: with terrible defense and a quarterback who was darn right solid.
Above average, even.

Actually, he was better than that. But I never would use the word ‘‘great’’ about Orton. It would be embarrassing.

But he threw for 283 yards. Two touchdowns. No interceptions. He spread the ball around the field, completing passes to seven players. His passer rating was 114.5, and if that means nothing to you, just know this: It’s better than darn right solid.

And the Vikings kept scoring, giving Orton a chance to crumble. Instead, he kept coming back, too.
It has been hard not to be reserved about Orton. I mean, you see 60 years of embarrassingly bad quarterbacking, with an occasional year as an exception, and how could you commit to Orton?
Chicago always has loved its backup quarterbacks, but that was less about what they wanted to see than what they wanted to get rid of.

So Orton sat on the bench, while the savior — What was his name? Oh, yeah, Grossman — filled the traditional role.

Now Orton takes over, and it’s like the water boy coming in. Every time I’ve mentioned him lately, it has been to praise him, but always with reservation. He’s not a star, but he’s better than expected.
No Pro Bowler, he does have a feel of the offense.

It might be time to say the obvious, say it out loud and not be embarrassed.
Kyle Orton is for real.
He is the leader of the Bears.
I’ll need a little more time before going further.

‘‘What can you say about Kyle?’’ Olsen said. ‘‘He is turning into an elite passer in this league.’’
‘‘He really has a command of what he wants to do,’’ Vikings coach Brad Childress said.
‘‘It seems like each week, he takes another step,’’ Bears coach Lovie Smith said.

Easy for them to say.
But Marty Booker dropped an easy touchdown pass in the second quarter, and the Bears ended up getting just a field goal. And what did Orton do?
‘‘I told him right away when it happened to him that I was coming right back to him,’’ he said.
Well, it wasn’t until the third quarter that Booker had his 51-yard touchdown catch. Orton said Booker turned on his burners.
Burners? Booker?

‘‘No, he doesn’t look that fast,’’ Orton said. ‘‘I think he was pretty tired after that.’’
Booker said Orton’s encouragement was a big deal. And remember, this was a 25-year-old telling a veteran that it was OK.

It seems ridiculous to say that Orton is the leader. The quarterback is supposed to be. He has the ball all the time.

But it has only been the last two weeks that he has grown into the job.

We already knew in the opener at Indianapolis that Orton could manage the offense, not screw up. Grossman always was screwing up, so this was plenty from Orton. The defense could win the games if Orton just wouldn’t lose them.

But last week in Atlanta, he took that no-huddle drive for what looked like a fantastic finish, and something changed.
Yes, the coaches and defense blew the game, but let’s not relive that now.
The thing was, with coaches out of his head, Orton was able to lead. Surely, the defense can’t win games anymore.

So that left offensive coordinator Ron Turner to open up the playbook, to go without reservation with Orton.

Frankly, Turner and the coaches had the same reservations I did. But open your mind to Orton and see him throw all the different passes NFL quarterbacks have to throw.

Turner’s image is about to change back, too. He once was considered some sort of offensive guru, then went to Illinois, where things didn’t work out. Then he came back to the Bears and was attached to Grossman. So it wasn’t working out again.

Now he’s the guy developing Orton.
If Orton has an ego, he doesn’t show it, which is good enough for the locker room. He names everyone on the team as playing with a common goal.
‘‘I don’t think we have any egos on offense, to be honest with you,’’ he said. ‘‘It’s 11 guys in there together.’’
It feels so strange to have a quarterback. And it’s amazing to think that the coaches evaluated Grossman all these years as the better choice.
In fact, they were so into babying Grossman that in his first few years, they didn’t want him to feel the pressure of a legitimate quarterback behind him.
So they kept Orton.
All this time, they were playing the wrong guy. But that’s all changed, finally.
Who knows what Orton can do.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/thewire/foot...is_new_leader/

Hammock Parties · 06-25-2009, 11:32 AM

Career 55 percent passer

GTFO

**DaFace** · 06-25-2009, 11:34 AM

I should have made you keep your "cutler" username. That would have made threads like this more amusing.

Skyy God · 06-25-2009, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

I should have made you keep your "cutler" username. That would have made threads like this more amusing.

Ooooo, change it back, change it back.

JD10367 · 06-25-2009, 11:38 AM

Omigod, you mean an NFL starting quarterback actually made an audible on a play, and completed a touchdown pass? Holy shit! Get his bust ready for Canton!

I can't believe you Chiefs fans tolerate crap threads like this that just clutter things up. You should make one giant Official Denver Broncos Fan Thread For Knob-Polishing And Circle-Jerking.

talastan · 06-25-2009, 11:42 AM

Wow cutlerboy, you found a positive article about Orton from Oct of last year with the Bears.

Okay so find me the article that says that the Donkeys didn't get screwed in the Cutler/Orton trade?

Skyy God · 06-25-2009, 11:42 AM

Nice article about the Neckbeard..... written after his best game of the season. His QB ratings thereafter, not so good, including three sub-50 games.

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton...s?id=ORT716150

Quesadilla Joe · 06-25-2009, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pittsie

Nice article about the Neckbeard..... written after his best game of the season. His QB ratings thereafter, not so good, including three sub-50 games.

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton...s?id=ORT716150

Orton hurt his ankle against Detroit, and was crappy after that. Before the injury though he was playing very well. He actually had a higher QB Rating and a better TD/Int ratio than Cutler did 8 games into the season.

BigCatDaddy · 06-25-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Orton hurt his ankle against Detroit, and was crappy after that. Before the injury though he was playing very well. He actually had a higher QB Rating and a better TD/Int ratio than Cutler did 8 games into the season.

The Homerism is strong with this young one.

**DaFace** · 06-25-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

The Homerism is strong with this young one.

He reminds me of a much less obnoxious version of GoChiefs on the Mane. He's homerific and changes his stances based on the players that are actually on the Broncos, but he's not an ass about it.

Just Passin' By · 06-25-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Orton hurt his ankle against Detroit, and was crappy after that. Before the injury though he was playing very well. He actually had a higher QB Rating and a better TD/Int ratio than Cutler did 8 games into the season.

The taller you make the hill, the longer the drop to the bottom. Just let the season play out instead of putting yourself in position to look like a complete idiot if the guy doesn't pan out.

InChiefsHeaven · 06-25-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Orton hurt his ankle against Detroit, and was crappy after that. Before the injury though he was playing very well. He actually had a higher QB Rating and a better TD/Int ratio than Cutler did 8 games into the season.

Soooo...Orton is better than Cutler...gotcha...

Quesadilla Joe · 06-25-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Soooo...Orton is better than Cutler...gotcha...

Cutler was the total package. He had the mobility, the arm, the quick release... If Cutler can improve his decision making and mature he could be an all time great. I don't know if he will though...

Orton doesn't have all the physical skills Cutler had, but he is a better decision maker and a better leader than Cutler was here. Orton has the skillsets Tom Brady has, but he isn't quite as accurate.

Just Passin' By · 06-25-2009, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Cutler was the total package. He had the mobility, the arm, the quick release... If Cutler can improve his decision making and mature he could be an all time great. I don't know if he will though...

Orton doesn't have all the physical skills Cutler had, but he is a better decision maker and a better leader than Cutler was here. Orton has the skillsets Tom Brady has.

Which reminds me. People, just say "no" to drugs.

**The Franchise** · 06-25-2009, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Cutler was the total package. He had the mobility, the arm, the quick release... If Cutler can improve his decision making and mature he could be an all time great. I don't know if he will though...

Orton doesn't have all the physical skills Cutler had, but he is a better decision maker and a better leader than Cutler was here. Orton has the skillsets Tom Brady, but he isn't quite as accurate.

06-25-2009, 11:31 AM	Topic Starter
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	"Kyle Orton is for real" October 20, 2008 BY GREG COUCH Sun-Times Columnist Kyle Orton was ready to take the snap and saw something in the defense that didn’t look right. So he backed away, changed the play call, walked down the offensive line and yelled out what he was doing, pointed to players and told them what positions to move into. He looked like Peyton Manning. Of course, with people sitting around me, I didn’t say that out loud. It would have been embarrassing. Then he dropped back into the shotgun formation and fired an 18-yard touchdown pass into tight end Greg Olsen’s chest. The Bears beat the Minnesota Vikings 48-41 on Sunday to remain tied for first place in a style Chicagoans haven’t seen before: with terrible defense and a quarterback who was darn right solid. Above average, even. Actually, he was better than that. But I never would use the word ‘‘great’’ about Orton. It would be embarrassing. But he threw for 283 yards. Two touchdowns. No interceptions. He spread the ball around the field, completing passes to seven players. His passer rating was 114.5, and if that means nothing to you, just know this: It’s better than darn right solid. And the Vikings kept scoring, giving Orton a chance to crumble. Instead, he kept coming back, too. It has been hard not to be reserved about Orton. I mean, you see 60 years of embarrassingly bad quarterbacking, with an occasional year as an exception, and how could you commit to Orton? Chicago always has loved its backup quarterbacks, but that was less about what they wanted to see than what they wanted to get rid of. So Orton sat on the bench, while the savior — What was his name? Oh, yeah, Grossman — filled the traditional role. Now Orton takes over, and it’s like the water boy coming in. Every time I’ve mentioned him lately, it has been to praise him, but always with reservation. He’s not a star, but he’s better than expected. No Pro Bowler, he does have a feel of the offense. It might be time to say the obvious, say it out loud and not be embarrassed. Kyle Orton is for real. He is the leader of the Bears. I’ll need a little more time before going further. ‘‘What can you say about Kyle?’’ Olsen said. ‘‘He is turning into an elite passer in this league.’’ ‘‘He really has a command of what he wants to do,’’ Vikings coach Brad Childress said. ‘‘It seems like each week, he takes another step,’’ Bears coach Lovie Smith said. Easy for them to say. But Marty Booker dropped an easy touchdown pass in the second quarter, and the Bears ended up getting just a field goal. And what did Orton do? ‘‘I told him right away when it happened to him that I was coming right back to him,’’ he said. Well, it wasn’t until the third quarter that Booker had his 51-yard touchdown catch. Orton said Booker turned on his burners. Burners? Booker? ‘‘No, he doesn’t look that fast,’’ Orton said. ‘‘I think he was pretty tired after that.’’ Booker said Orton’s encouragement was a big deal. And remember, this was a 25-year-old telling a veteran that it was OK. It seems ridiculous to say that Orton is the leader. The quarterback is supposed to be. He has the ball all the time. But it has only been the last two weeks that he has grown into the job. We already knew in the opener at Indianapolis that Orton could manage the offense, not screw up. Grossman always was screwing up, so this was plenty from Orton. The defense could win the games if Orton just wouldn’t lose them. But last week in Atlanta, he took that no-huddle drive for what looked like a fantastic finish, and something changed. Yes, the coaches and defense blew the game, but let’s not relive that now. The thing was, with coaches out of his head, Orton was able to lead. Surely, the defense can’t win games anymore. So that left offensive coordinator Ron Turner to open up the playbook, to go without reservation with Orton. Frankly, Turner and the coaches had the same reservations I did. But open your mind to Orton and see him throw all the different passes NFL quarterbacks have to throw. Turner’s image is about to change back, too. He once was considered some sort of offensive guru, then went to Illinois, where things didn’t work out. Then he came back to the Bears and was attached to Grossman. So it wasn’t working out again. Now he’s the guy developing Orton. If Orton has an ego, he doesn’t show it, which is good enough for the locker room. He names everyone on the team as playing with a common goal. ‘‘I don’t think we have any egos on offense, to be honest with you,’’ he said. ‘‘It’s 11 guys in there together.’’ It feels so strange to have a quarterback. And it’s amazing to think that the coaches evaluated Grossman all these years as the better choice. In fact, they were so into babying Grossman that in his first few years, they didn’t want him to feel the pressure of a legitimate quarterback behind him. So they kept Orton. All this time, they were playing the wrong guy. But that’s all changed, finally. Who knows what Orton can do. http://www.sportsnet.ca/thewire/foot...is_new_leader/
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06-25-2009, 11:32 AM	#2
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talastan Manning, we're coming for you! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Springfield, Mo Casino cash: $10004950	Wow cutlerboy, you found a positive article about Orton from Oct of last year with the Bears. Okay so find me the article that says that the Donkeys didn't get screwed in the Cutler/Orton trade? __________________ Can we please just draft AND DEVELOP a QB - est. since 1983 Check out my band: Truett and the Traitors
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Skyy God 11-5, baby Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Livin the dream Casino cash: $2191557	Nice article about the Neckbeard..... written after his best game of the season. His QB ratings thereafter, not so good, including three sub-50 games. http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton...s?id=ORT716150
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