Chiefs What were your impressions of the game?

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 08:24 AM

The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game.

Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises?

For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking.

Give me your take.

**gblowfish** · 10-05-2009, 08:40 AM

My impression of the game?
Pretty much the same as my impression of Sam Kinison.

OH....OWWWWWWW......AAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!

Fish · 10-05-2009, 08:55 AM

Big Irish did indeed do better. Not a brick wall by any means, but Cassel did have more time than in previous games.

The game was played better than last week. And there were quite a few positives. But they still made some of the same mistakes. 7 penalties. Forcing the run, and not doing it very well. LJ had a few good runs, and a few where you question whether he's closing his eyes and hoping to hit a hole.

Bowe had 1 catch, and you'd swear they're designing plays away from him. The WRs cannot get any separation at all though. It's a glaring issue. Cassel was pretty inaccurate. He looks like he's trying to force things because nothing is working. Only 88 yds passing, but you can't say they were trying very hard to pass in the 2nd half. Haley seems to be making a point that they will run the ball no matter if it works or not.

Our CBs had a good game. Flowers dominated. Carr wasn't too bad either.

DLine didn't do a very good job in the second half. More whiffs from the LBs and safeties.

It was improvement overall from last week, but very very slight. Haley continues to send mixed signals.

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Big Irish did indeed do better. Not a brick wall by any means, but Cassel did have more time than in previous games.

The game was played better than last week. And there were quite a few positives. But they still made some of the same mistakes. 7 penalties. Forcing the run, and not doing it very well. LJ had a few good runs, and a few where you question whether he's closing his eyes and hoping to hit a hole.

Bowe had 1 catch, and you'd swear they're designing plays away from him. The WRs cannot get any separation at all though. It's a glaring issue. Cassel was pretty inaccurate. He looks like he's trying to force things because nothing is working. Only 88 yds passing, but you can't say they were trying very hard to pass in the 2nd half. Haley seems to be making a point that they will run the ball no matter if it works or not.

Our CBs had a good game. Flowers dominated. Carr wasn't too bad either.

DLine didn't do a very good job in the second half. More whiffs from the LBs and safeties.

It was improvement overall from last week, but very very slight. Haley continues to send mixed signals.

Precisely what I was looking for. Thanks! Anybody else?

soundmind · 10-05-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Precisely what I was looking for. Thanks! Anybody else?

To add more than just blinding scrutiny....

"There's the kickoff, to Jamaal Charles, who fumbles....." That's exactly how it started...which is where I started drinking.

The CBs did indeed play well but the zone coverage was getting destroyed. Flowers definitely continued to show he's capable of playing amongst the elite. Got beat bad when he underestimated Manningham's speed (50 yards). But intercepted the next pass to redeem himself. Overall, Eli had time and picked them apart, coverage is still suspect outside #24 - but most are when they have 5 seconds to get open.

Not that we didn't get any pressure, Tamba had a couple series where he was making noise and Vrabel's investment continues to shock and fascinate me. For a guy I was sure didn't want to be here, he plays with a lot of emotion and is constantly around the play. That and he's vocal, extremely vocal.

Offense was ugly. Buried amongst a buffet of lost blocking assignments were a few decent runs. There were, in equal parts; receptions, dropped passes, bad throws...which equated to 88 passing yards. We had nine (9) I think nearing halftime.

LJ was his sporatic self. Bowe dropped at least one that was just dumb, and thus fell off the playcalling map I think... Cassel was throwing behind just about everyone by a step or a step and a half - which was scary...but he looked bothered all day too. Again, he had no time so he was constantly under completely unblocked pressure. Antonio Pierce, free reign, like he knew the snap count kind of pressure occasionally....

Mr. Laz · 10-05-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Precisely what I was looking for. Thanks! Anybody else?

The overall feel of the game was much like the Raven's game. Turnovers kept us in the game but it felt like we were over matched the entire time.

Offensive line did better ... better run blocking and pass blocking.

Cassel looked like he was expecting to get sacked so even when he didn't he still was nervous in the pocket and didn't throw the ball well. He missed 2 open receivers on long passes that would of probably been touchdowns. He threw behind the receiver on several others. Not good.

Offensive play calling was weird. We would run the ball with success 2/3 times in a row and instead of using that to go play action pass, Haley would continue to run the ball until we got stuffed a few times and then go to the pass in 3rd and long.

he also went to the draw play at the most unusual times. Normally you go to a draw after you have had some success throwing the ball but haley would actually go to the draw when the defense was looking run. It made no sense..

our cornerbacks got burnt sever times early in the game but then got better as the game went along.

Jacobs > our linebackers

return game is still rough ... Charles has a fumble problem and Wade really doesn't seem to want to have anything to do with punt returns. He pretty much looks for any excuse to fair catch it.

Nixhex · 10-05-2009, 08:45 AM

I was disappointed by the amount of times the O-Line allowed defenders a free shot at LJ and Cassel. I remember at least 4 times defenders came into the backfield untouched by a blocker. That stuff has got to stop.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 08:45 AM

Big Irish > Ndukwe. No question. And McIntosh.

Demonpenz · 10-05-2009, 08:45 AM

B. Albert isn't a pro left tackle

soundmind · 10-05-2009, 08:51 AM

Our Offensive Line is officially capable of losing entire football games.

Mr. Arrowhead · 10-05-2009, 08:56 AM

is basketball season here yet?

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 08:58 AM

I can't believe KC went into the offseason knowing the OL and pass rush were in shambles and didn't do much to address it. The OL and pass rush was poor, again. Surprise.

Pass defense sucks as well.

On 3rd down, here's a novel idea. Call plays where the receivers are beyond the 1st down marker. That way, in the rare case the QB has 3 seconds to throw and throws accurately, the receiver has a greater chance of getting the first down, or more accurately with KC, dropping what should have been a first down.

When you are down two scores, try passing more often down field. At least pretend you are trying to make a realistic comeback.

JD10367 · 10-05-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I can't believe KC went into the offseason knowing the OL and pass rush were in shambles and didn't do much to address it. The OL and pass rush was poor, again. Surprise.

I thinK Pioli's a smart guy. And I think he and Haley will do good things in KC. And I give Pioli a bit of a pass because he was unfamiliar with the player-personnel on the Chiefs, and was probably hoping/thinking that he could salvage something there.

However, having said all that... I now concede that a.) he didn't draft/FA as well as he could have and b.) even if he knew Thigpen whacked it and Croyle might be fragile, he was probably better off NOT going after a new QB from another team but instead using that money on the O-line and D-line. Football games are won in the trenches. You can find a QB in the draft, even in a late round. And with a better O-line Thigpen and Croyle could've "held the fort" (as Parcells likes to say) until a franchise QB could be drafted/developed. In hindsight, it didn't make sense to pony up big bucks to Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Cassel is a bad QB. I'm not even saying it was a bad signing. I'm just saying it might have not been the best direction for the Chiefs to go given their state. Hell, Pioli could've signed a cheap re-tread like Jeff Garcia if he wanted to improve the QB situation while seeing what else he had around him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-05-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

I thinK Pioli's a smart guy. And I think he and Haley will do good things in KC. And I give Pioli a bit of a pass because he was unfamiliar with the player-personnel on the Chiefs, and was probably hoping/thinking that he could salvage something there.

However, having said all that... I now concede that a.) he didn't draft/FA as well as he could have and b.) even if he knew Thigpen whacked it and Croyle might be fragile, he was probably better off NOT going after a new QB from another team but instead using that money on the O-line and D-line. Football games are won in the trenches. You can find a QB in the draft, even in a late round. And with a better O-line Thigpen and Croyle could've "held the fort" (as Parcells likes to say) until a franchise QB could be drafted/developed. In hindsight, it didn't make sense to pony up big bucks to Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Cassel is a bad QB. I'm not even saying it was a bad signing. I'm just saying it might have not been the best direction for the Chiefs to go given their state. Hell, Pioli could've signed a cheap re-tread like Jeff Garcia if he wanted to improve the QB situation while seeing what else he had around him.

Or he could have drafted the one at 3 and let him develop for a half a year to a year behind a line that he addressed in the offseason.

**Dylan** · 10-05-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

I thinK Pioli's a smart guy. And I think he and Haley will do good things in KC. And I give Pioli a bit of a pass because he was unfamiliar with the player-personnel on the Chiefs, and was probably hoping/thinking that he could salvage something there.

However, having said all that... I now concede that a.) he didn't draft/FA as well as he could have and b.) even if he knew Thigpen whacked it and Croyle might be fragile, he was probably better off NOT going after a new QB from another team but instead using that money on the O-line and D-line. Football games are won in the trenches. You can find a QB in the draft, even in a late round. And with a better O-line Thigpen and Croyle could've "held the fort" (as Parcells likes to say) until a franchise QB could be drafted/developed. In hindsight, it didn't make sense to pony up big bucks to Cassel.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Cassel is a bad QB. I'm not even saying it was a bad signing. I'm just saying it might have not been the best direction for the Chiefs to go given their state. Hell, Pioli could've signed a cheap re-tread like Jeff Garcia if he wanted to improve the QB situation while seeing what else he had around him.

If you believe this -- Clark Hunt picked the wrong people for the job.

Just saying...

10-05-2009, 08:24 AM	Topic Starter
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8129900	What were your impressions of the game? The game wasn't on in my market yesterday and radio coverage was spotty all day, so I only heard portions of the game. Who played well? Who didn't? Were there any surprises? For example, it sounded to me like maybe Big Irish at RT was what most of us expected - a little better at run blocking, a little worse at pass blocking. Give me your take.
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10-05-2009, 08:40 AM	#2
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10-05-2009, 08:55 AM	#3
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $-1411081	Big Irish did indeed do better. Not a brick wall by any means, but Cassel did have more time than in previous games. The game was played better than last week. And there were quite a few positives. But they still made some of the same mistakes. 7 penalties. Forcing the run, and not doing it very well. LJ had a few good runs, and a few where you question whether he's closing his eyes and hoping to hit a hole. Bowe had 1 catch, and you'd swear they're designing plays away from him. The WRs cannot get any separation at all though. It's a glaring issue. Cassel was pretty inaccurate. He looks like he's trying to force things because nothing is working. Only 88 yds passing, but you can't say they were trying very hard to pass in the 2nd half. Haley seems to be making a point that they will run the ball no matter if it works or not. Our CBs had a good game. Flowers dominated. Carr wasn't too bad either. DLine didn't do a very good job in the second half. More whiffs from the LBs and safeties. It was improvement overall from last week, but very very slight. Haley continues to send mixed signals. __________________
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10-05-2009, 08:45 AM	#7
Nixhex Chiefn' It Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: IndepMo Casino cash: $7455142	I was disappointed by the amount of times the O-Line allowed defenders a free shot at LJ and Cassel. I remember at least 4 times defenders came into the backfield untouched by a blocker. That stuff has got to stop.
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10-05-2009, 08:58 AM	#12
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	I can't believe KC went into the offseason knowing the OL and pass rush were in shambles and didn't do much to address it. The OL and pass rush was poor, again. Surprise. Pass defense sucks as well. On 3rd down, here's a novel idea. Call plays where the receivers are beyond the 1st down marker. That way, in the rare case the QB has 3 seconds to throw and throws accurately, the receiver has a greater chance of getting the first down, or more accurately with KC, dropping what should have been a first down. When you are down two scores, try passing more often down field. At least pretend you are trying to make a realistic comeback. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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