Chiefs At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05:47 PM

After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment:

"We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone."

Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season.

Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread.

Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals):

1st downs: (63) (62)

3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%)

Total yards: (1145) (986)

Rushing yards: (554) (406)

Passing yards: (591) (580)

Sacks Allowed: (12) (13)

Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230

Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG)

Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4.

Defensively:

1st downs allowed: (74) (85)

3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%)

Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516)

Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514)

Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002)

Sacks: (3) (5)

Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG)

Turnover margin: (+2) (Even)

Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense.

The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players?

What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly ****ing basis.

As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me.

The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me.

There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working...

Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some ****ing improvement. Not necessarily wins.

IMPROVEMENT.

Micjones · 10-05-2009, 01:51 PM

Can't argue with this. This team needs to get better in all three phases.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-05-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Can't argue with this. This team needs to get better in all three phases.

Holy Jesus.

Those Evelyn Wood Speed Reading classes are really paying off, Mic.

**Dave Lane** · 10-05-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Holy Jesus.

Those Evelyn Wood Speed Reading classes are really paying off, Mic.

Yawn...

Get back to me next year then we can talk...

**DeezNutz** · 10-05-2009, 01:52 PM

At least we have a franchise QB.

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 01:53 PM

The Chiefs are worse. I didn't think I'd ever say that after the first four games of 2008, but they are worse. Plus, they have no identity yet.

JuicesFlowing · 10-05-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The Chiefs are worse. I didn't think I'd ever say that after the first four games of 2008, but they are worse. Plus, they have no identity yet.

This is what frustrates me about this team. They don't even know what they want to do.

jaa1025 · 10-05-2009, 08:55 PM

These stats are skewed. Last year, the 3 of the 4 teams we played weren't playoff caliber teams. This year, 3 of the 4 are superbowl quality teams. Thats a huge difference. PLUS, that team had 2 years under herm in that crappy system. This team has had a month with the new offense not to mention the new players.

Its like comparing an apple to a hamburger...you can't.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jaa1025

These stats are skewed. Last year, the 3 of the 4 teams we played weren't playoff caliber teams. This year, 3 of the 4 are superbowl quality teams. Thats a huge difference.

GREAT point. We actually looked like a real football team against the Raiders. We just had a shotgun pointed at our feet.

And like I said, with such a small sample size, one good game against the Broncos is really skewing the data.

**DeezNutz** · 10-05-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Plus, they have no identity yet.

But what about that "message" that Haley sent in Philly? Didn't that help?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-05-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

But what about that "message" that Haley sent in Philly? Didn't that help?

Sunday is "opposite day" in the Haley household.

Run 10 of 11 plays when down 3 scores, throw 5 of 6 plays inside the 2 ****ing yard line.

chiefs1111 · 10-05-2009, 01:53 PM

well hey we might beat Cleveland later this season.... maybe......

**DeezNutz** · 10-05-2009, 01:53 PM

The penalties are really damning evidence.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-05-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The penalties are really damning evidence.

Everyone talked about how undisciplined Herm's teams were.

Yet Haley the Disciplinarian's team has committed 19 more penalties for 119 yards after 4 games.

That running and screaming is really paying off.

Chiefnj2 · 10-05-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Everyone talked about how undisciplined Herm's teams were.

Yet Haley the Disciplinarian's team has committed 19 more penalties for 119 yards after 4 games.

That running and screaming is really paying off.

At least they are thinner, looking svelte and their cardiologists thank Haley.

10-05-2009, 01:50 PM	Topic Starter
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2041115	At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse? After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment: "We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone." Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season. Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread. Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals): 1st downs: (63) (62) 3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%) Total yards: (1145) (986) Rushing yards: (554) (406) Passing yards: (591) (580) Sacks Allowed: (12) (13) Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230 Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG) Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4. Defensively: 1st downs allowed: (74) (85) 3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%) Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516) Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514) Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002) Sacks: (3) (5) Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG) Turnover margin: (+2) (Even) Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense. The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players? What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly **ing basis. As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me. The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me. There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working... Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some *ing improvement. Not necessarily wins. IMPROVEMENT. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 10-05-2009 at 05:47 PM..*
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jaa1025 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10000898	These stats are skewed. Last year, the 3 of the 4 teams we played weren't playoff caliber teams. This year, 3 of the 4 are superbowl quality teams. Thats a huge difference. PLUS, that team had 2 years under herm in that crappy system. This team has had a month with the new offense not to mention the new players. Its like comparing an apple to a hamburger...you can't.
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