Chiefs How much of it is attitude, perception, expectations?

keg in kc · 10-05-2009, 11:08 PM

My random thought of the week. This is a question I've been pondering for years now...

Looking back since '98, this team's 82-94, or 82-98 if you count the start of this season. Basic premise of the question is this: have the Chiefs turned (back) into a loser in the last decade? Are we the new Bengals, or the old Bucs?

'cause, you know, I watch the Chiefs play, year in and year out, and I'm always wondering what's going to go wrong next. Even in 2003, with the 9-0 start, there was still this perpetual sense of the other shoe just waiting to drop. I wonder if players do that? During a game, do they see something go wrong (let's say a Jamaal Charles fumble on an opening kickoff, or a bizarre personal foul call on a shoulder-to-shoulder hit) and think "aw hell, there we go again?"

Can losing build a kind of momentum, and if so, how can you turn it around? How much do you actually have to win for winning to become "normal"?

I was actually thinking about this in conjunction to the Raiders, Broncos and Chiefs. Could swagger, confidence, make a difference for Denver, an expectation that things will turn around, whereas Oakland and now KC just seem to have this relentless feeling like they're fighting the current, just treading water and never making up ground? People talk about winning being contagious, or how winning breeds winning. Is it the same way on the flip side?

**cdcox** · 10-05-2009, 11:09 PM

**DeezNutz** · 10-05-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Ego?

Nos?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Nos?

The Chiefs players perform as if they're on NOS

**cdcox** · 10-05-2009, 11:17 PM

That is definitely one component of long term suckage. So the any new regime feels the need to purge defeatist players. So you have a bunch of new blood, many of whom are scrubs. And they have difficulty competing, so they develop and defeatist attitude and a new reime is brought in. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum. When you get to a certain level of bad, it definitely gets harder to turn the ship around. We are there.

Mecca · 10-05-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

That is definitely one component of long term suckage. So the any new regime feels the need to purge defeatist players. So you have a bunch of new blood, many of whom are scrubs. And they have difficulty competing, so they develop and defeatist attitude and a new reime is brought in. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum. When you get to a certain level of bad, it definitely gets harder to turn the ship around. We are there.

It might have helped if they hadn't brought a scrub QB with them and called him the franchise.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It might have helped if they hadn't brought a scrub QB with them and called him the franchise.

It's sickening that Thigpen's numbers were roughly equal to Cassel's numbers in his first few starts last year.

****ing THIGPEN.

Who was traded for a sixer and a pack of smokes.

Otherwise known as Alleman and Nsuckwe.

Hammock Parties · 10-06-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's sickening that Thigpen's numbers were roughly equal to Cassel's numbers in his first few starts last year.

Thigpen had 2 TD, 4 INT and had completed less than 50 percent of his passes in his first three games last year.

No comparison.

Saccopoo · 10-06-2009, 02:15 AM

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Thigpen had 2 TD, 4 INT and had completed less than 50 percent of his passes in his first three games last year.

No comparison.

And that's before he started to hit his stride...

Pioli should be given the key to Kansas City for even getting a trade done. I'd be happy if the front office got a free night at Joe's Stone Crabs for the Thigpen trade. Hell, that might be a little too much in return.

Saccopoo · 10-06-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It might have helped if they hadn't brought a scrub QB with them and called him the franchise.

Yeah, they could have drafted some ballbag from college who folds into a fetal position while throwing the ball up for grabs and then eats his own fingernails on the sideline at the first sign of pressure.

**** that.

Cassel has stood tall every single game. The offensive line sucks. But yet he's making plays. Not big plays, but he's not throwing the ball up for grabs like some rookie pussy who's never experienced a real pass rush in his life and folds under the first one he's ever seen.

And, in the deal, we got the best defensive player on the team. For only a second round draft pick.

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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-578231	That is definitely one component of long term suckage. So the any new regime feels the need to purge defeatist players. So you have a bunch of new blood, many of whom are scrubs. And they have difficulty competing, so they develop and defeatist attitude and a new reime is brought in. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum. When you get to a certain level of bad, it definitely gets harder to turn the ship around. We are there.
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