Football Whitlock has a great idea

orange · 10-08-2009, 11:54 AM

9. Fixing the roughing-Tom Brady-penalty crisis is rather easy.

As I did when I first addressed this problem at the beginning of the season, I'm not going to play the race card. I'm going to continue to ignore the fact that Donovan McNabb had a rib cracked while laying in the end zone and there was no penalty called, and I'm going to ignore the unpenalized illegal hits leveled against Off-The-Marcus Russell and David Garrard last week.

This is not an issue driven by race. It's a star power issue, no different from the NBA officiating that protected Michael Jordan the second half of his career and gave Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat an NBA title.

Refs pamper the big stars. Refs are humans just like you and me. They get caught up in Brady's fame.

Ray "Avon Barksdale" Lewis and Ed "Stringer Bell" Reed had every right to blast the refs following the Patriots-Ravens game. There were two unwarranted roughing-the-Brady penalties that contributed to New England TD drives. One of the penalties occurred on third and nine and Brady threw incomplete. And the other occurred on second and 11 and Brady completed a 1-yard pass.

The "hits" didn't justify a flag and they certainly didn't justify 15-yard penalties. Why do quarterbacks deserve more protection than a punter or a kicker? Why can't there be a 5-yard running-into-the-Brady call and a 15-yard roughing-the-Brady call?

A hand accidently slapping a QB in the helmet isn't worthy of 15 yards. A defender falling down and grazing a QB's knee isn't worth 15 yards.

And there needs to be a common-sense official placed in a television replay booth. He needs the authority to stop the game and review any and every 15-yard penalty. Look at the excessive-celebration penalty that ruined the Georgia-LSU college game. A common-sense ref in the booth could've stopped that.

If you eliminated the TV timeouts after punts, kickoffs and timeouts primarily taken to stop the clock, a more active replay ref wouldn't interfere with the flow of an NFL game or prevent it from concluding in three hours or less.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...are-NFL-Truths

wild1 · 10-08-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

If you eliminated the TV timeouts after punts, kickoffs and timeouts primarily taken to stop the clock, a more active replay ref wouldn't interfere with the flow of an NFL game or prevent it from concluding in three hours or less.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...are-NFL-Truths

I was with him up until here.

Yeah, I'm sure the NFL will just voluntarily flush all the ad revenue from all these commercial breaks.

blaise · 10-08-2009, 11:58 AM

"If you eliminated the TV timeouts after punts, kickoffs and timeouts primarily taken to stop the clock, a more active replay ref wouldn't interfere with the flow of an NFL game or prevent it from concluding in three hours or less."

Yeah, they won't be doing that.

Yours,
CBS, NBC and FOX

HotRoute · 10-08-2009, 11:59 AM

my solution is that there should be different levels of roughing the passer.

for the minor hits, 5 yrds and for the severe hits 15 yrds. it might help a little so that some of these ridiculous calls could be lowered to 5 yrds and not keep a drive going. just a thought

DTLB58 · 10-08-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC111110

my solution is that there should be different levels of roughing the passer.

for the minor hits, 5 yrds and for the severe hits 15 yrds. it might help a little so that some of these ridiculous calls could be lowered to 5 yrds and not keep a drive going. just a thought

The problem with that is they just took this away from the face mask rule this year, no more 5 or 15 yarder just 15 yard penalty now so that there isn't a judgement call for the refs.

Same thing on the QB's they would say, unfortunately. It sucks. I think it's ruining the game and the phone call the next day to say were sorry dosen't really cut it. Get it right the first time boys.

HotRoute · 10-08-2009, 12:13 PM

the rule book is an ever changing thing in the NFL and they definately need to get this right. i mean its to the point where even people who dont watch the game that much think its a joke. my girlfriend said while watching the raiders game, on the roughing the passer on j.russell, "what a joke he's a BIG boy he can take a hit". and the most she knows is which team is on offense and which team is on defense.

Earthling · 10-08-2009, 12:25 PM

Mybe they should have pink flags on the qb...just like flag football. Its really gotten ridiculous.

RaiderH8r · 10-08-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthling

Mybe they should have pink flags on the qb...just like flag football. Its really gotten ridiculous.

And they could combine Breast Cancer Awareness Month with Cervical Cancer Awareness Month every time they toss a pink flag because someone sniffed around too close to Terrific Tom's Tastacular Vagina. Make it happen.

Mr. Laz · 10-08-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by whitlock

I'm not going to play the race card. I'm going to continue to ignore the fact that Donovan McNabb had a rib cracked while laying in the end zone and there was no penalty called, and I'm going to ignore the unpenalized illegal hits leveled against Off-The-Marcus Russell and David Garrard last week.

umm ... you just did, jackass.

but yes, the NFL should adopt they college way of doing reviews. Then they could expand possible review situations without slowing down the game.

The NFL has the money to give the booth review the equipment to do the reviews quickly and quietly without slowing down the game at all.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-08-2009, 12:24 PM

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=215771 Hey, Orange. Read this when you get time...

orange · 10-08-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=215771 Hey, Orange. Read this when you get time...

I've already read it and responded in a different thread.

It changes nothing. I never claimed Page's hit was "helmet-to-helmet." Quite the contrary, in fact. Please show me - since no one else can - where exactly the NFL "apologized." Or for that matter, where they said it wasn't a personal foul. I'm all eyes.

Note: "NFL apologizes to Page" WRONG. That's GoChiefs' line.

The actual quote for your easy reference:

Safety Jarrad Page said the NFL sent the Chiefs a letter acknowledging a mistake was made when Page was penalized for unnecessary roughness in last week’s loss to the Giants.

Page broke up a pass over the middle for wide receiver Steve Smith but was penalized for making helmet to helmet contact with Smith. Replays showed Page actually used his shoulder to hit Smith in the chest.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-08-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

I've already read it and responded in a different thread.

It changes nothing. I never claimed Page's hit was "helmet-to-helmet." Quite the contrary, in fact. Please show me - since no one else can - where exactly the NFL "apologized." Or for that matter, where they said it wasn't a personal foul. I'm all eyes.

Note: "NFL apologizes to Page" WRONG. That's GoChiefs' line.

The actual quote for your easy reference:

Safety Jarrad Page said the NFL sent the Chiefs a letter acknowledging a mistake was made when Page was penalized for unnecessary roughness in last week’s loss to the Giants.

Page broke up a pass over the middle for wide receiver Steve Smith but was penalized for making helmet to helmet contact with Smith. Replays showed Page actually used his shoulder to hit Smith in the chest.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1496343.html Page, himself said the Chiefs recieved a letter from the league.

orange · 10-08-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1496343.html Page, himself said the Chiefs recieved a letter from the league.

Yes - clarifying the call.

He DIDN'T say what exactly the call should have been.

The simple fact - it doesn't have to be "helmet-to-helmet" to be a personal foul.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-08-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Yes - clarifying the call.

He DIDN'T say what exactly the call should have been.

The simple fact - it doesn't have to be "helmet-to-helmet" to be a personal foul.

I don't know why you cannot admit you were wrong.

CoMoChief · 10-08-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Yes - clarifying the call.

He DIDN'T say what exactly the call should have been.

The simple fact - it doesn't have to be "helmet-to-helmet" to be a personal foul.

Well then what about the Page hit do you think justified a personal foul penalty?

It wasn't helmet to helmet, it was a legal hit.....so where's the foul in this case? Tackling too hard?

10-08-2009, 11:54 AM	Topic Starter
orange MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $10004900	Whitlock has a great idea 9. Fixing the roughing-Tom Brady-penalty crisis is rather easy. As I did when I first addressed this problem at the beginning of the season, I'm not going to play the race card. I'm going to continue to ignore the fact that Donovan McNabb had a rib cracked while laying in the end zone and there was no penalty called, and I'm going to ignore the unpenalized illegal hits leveled against Off-The-Marcus Russell and David Garrard last week. This is not an issue driven by race. It's a star power issue, no different from the NBA officiating that protected Michael Jordan the second half of his career and gave Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat an NBA title. Refs pamper the big stars. Refs are humans just like you and me. They get caught up in Brady's fame. Ray "Avon Barksdale" Lewis and Ed "Stringer Bell" Reed had every right to blast the refs following the Patriots-Ravens game. There were two unwarranted roughing-the-Brady penalties that contributed to New England TD drives. One of the penalties occurred on third and nine and Brady threw incomplete. And the other occurred on second and 11 and Brady completed a 1-yard pass. The "hits" didn't justify a flag and they certainly didn't justify 15-yard penalties. Why do quarterbacks deserve more protection than a punter or a kicker? Why can't there be a 5-yard running-into-the-Brady call and a 15-yard roughing-the-Brady call? A hand accidently slapping a QB in the helmet isn't worthy of 15 yards. A defender falling down and grazing a QB's knee isn't worth 15 yards. And there needs to be a common-sense official placed in a television replay booth. He needs the authority to stop the game and review any and every 15-yard penalty. Look at the excessive-celebration penalty that ruined the Georgia-LSU college game. A common-sense ref in the booth could've stopped that. If you eliminated the TV timeouts after punts, kickoffs and timeouts primarily taken to stop the clock, a more active replay ref wouldn't interfere with the flow of an NFL game or prevent it from concluding in three hours or less. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...are-NFL-Truths
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10-08-2009, 11:58 AM	#3
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10-08-2009, 11:59 AM	#4
HotRoute Veteran Join Date: Aug 2009 Casino cash: $9605656	my solution is that there should be different levels of roughing the passer. for the minor hits, 5 yrds and for the severe hits 15 yrds. it might help a little so that some of these ridiculous calls could be lowered to 5 yrds and not keep a drive going. just a thought
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10-08-2009, 12:13 PM	#6
HotRoute Veteran Join Date: Aug 2009 Casino cash: $9605656	the rule book is an ever changing thing in the NFL and they definately need to get this right. i mean its to the point where even people who dont watch the game that much think its a joke. my girlfriend said while watching the raiders game, on the roughing the passer on j.russell, "what a joke he's a BIG boy he can take a hit". and the most she knows is which team is on offense and which team is on defense.
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