Chiefs Deep Thoughts: By OnTheWarpath58

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-12-2009, 09:04 AM

Getting ready to watch the broadcast now, but I thought I'd share my thoughts from yesterday with Tiny and Clayton watching from Section 334 at Arrowhead.

Do they call it "offense" because it's offensive?

Watching from the upper level end zone gives you an opporunity to see the entire field, plays develop, etc - and just as suspected, our WR's ARE getting open. Cassel IS holding the ball too long. I lost count at how many times Bowe wasn't the 1st or second read.

There were a few plays that come to mind that Clay and I discussed. One was a completion to Ryan, where he ran 10-15 yards up the seam, then hitched, and Cassel hit him. Cassel's eyes never left Ryan, and I asked where the **** he would have gone with the ball had Ryan not been open. You can't lock onto one ****ing guy in this league.

Another, where Bowe ran a 10 yard out, was wide open, and Cassel threw the ball away.

Guys WERE open yesterday, but Cassel has to realize that guys aren't going to be WIDE ****ING OPEN like they were in NE. If the WR has a step, get the ****ing ball in there.

Which he did on the game tying drive. So if we can program Matt Cassel's brain to think that every drive is do or die, he might become a solid QB. Otherwise, we have a "franchise QB" that's afraid to throw the ball in tight spots.

Speaking of OL, pass protection and run blocking became noticably improved when Goff left the game.

So, should they call the defense "offense" as well? They are offensive too.

I'll start with the only two positives I saw.

Glenn Dorsey had his best game of the season. And I thought that Flowers had a good game as well, though I don't recall them throwing at him much - there were several plays that he either made the play in run support, or turned the RB back inside to the big boys, usually Mays.

Mike Brown is a slower, dumber, undisciplined version of Bernard Pollard. I'm sure that Leggett is getting all the blame for the Austin TD's, but had Brown done his job, they would have been 15 yard gains instead of 60.

Mike Vrabel shoudl stick to playing TE, because he's ****ing worthless as a LB.

Another game giving up 500 yards of offense, 150 of it on the ground, and I'm sure someone, somewhere has said something to the effect of the "defense is getting better." Bullshit.

The Cowboys were the gift that kept on giving, and we said "**** you."

I don't recall a game where the opposition did this much to give a game to the Chiefs. A bounty of gifts wrapped in nice paper and a bow, and we shunned it like it was socks and underwear from Great Aunt Gertrude.

13 penalties. 4 fumbles, two of which we recovered and started drives in/near the red zone. (Thanks for half out points, Dallas!) Austin dropped 2 TD passes, and there was a 3rd at our end of the stadium that was dropped, and I don't recall who the WR was.

And the best gift of all: Starting a drive in OT from the 50 ****ing yard line, and getting ONE YARD. Nothing like getting that bike you wanted for Christmas, then getting so excited you decided to take it for a spin before Dad installed the seat. Ouch.

Someone tell Dorothy that "there's no place like home" is a crock of shit

At bare minimum, half the stadium was in blue, and personally I think we were outnumbered. Reminded me of the game in STL back in 2006 where we outnumbered Rams fans. Dallas fans were loader when thier team needed it that Chiefs fans were, crowd noise was even a factor on an offensive penalty we committed.

Wait 'til Pittsburgh comes in, it'll be 75/25 Steelers fans.

Greatest fans in the NFL, my ass.

That's it from memory, I'll probably post additional thoughts as the TV broadcast sparks some more.

HC_Chief · 10-12-2009, 09:07 AM

A receiver may be wide open, but the QB has to be able to see it to get the ball there.

Our OL is S H I T. They not only do not open passing lanes (kinda important for a QB), but they also don't hold a block for, well, they don't hold blocks. The line is a sieve... a rusted, cracked, shot up with a figging 12-guage sieve that allows defenders to pour through.

While Cassel and the receivers certainly deserves some of the blame, remember that the OL is just as important. Until we stabilize that area, it doesn't matter who we have at QB and receiver.

Goldmember · 10-12-2009, 09:12 AM

What I want to know is how you could see Cassel's eyes from the upper level? :P

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-12-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldmember

What I want to know is how you could see Cassel's eyes from the upper level? :P

You can watch his head, and when he's only looking at one side of the field, it tells you all you need to know.

Goldmember · 10-12-2009, 09:19 AM

just messing with you. Thanks for the observations. I was wondering why he couldn't find open receivers. However, it does seem that Chiefs receivers get the least separation than any other teams' receivers. There is always a defender or two or three to tackle them right after the catch while our defenders play 10-15 yards back. Been this way for years.

58kcfan89 · 10-12-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You can watch his head, and when he's only looking at one side of the field, it tells you all you need to know.

Not necessarily. There are usually more than one WR/TE/RB on one side of the field at a time. Just because he's looking at one side of the field doesn't mean he's locking onto one WR.

As far as him holding the ball too long, yes he does. But he's also the reason we were in OT after the game-tying drive. He made some great plays that made me think that he's gunna be a great QB when we get a legit team around him.

**MahiMike** · 10-12-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

A receiver may be wide open, but the QB has to be able to see it to get the ball there.

Our OL is S H I T. They not only do not open passing lanes (kinda important for a QB), but they also don't hold a block for, well, they don't hold blocks. The line is a sieve... a rusted, cracked, shot up with a figging 12-guage sieve that allows defenders to pour through.

While Cassel and the receivers certainly deserves some of the blame, remember that the OL is just as important. Until we stabilize that area, it doesn't matter who we have at QB and receiver.

Exactly. The poor guy was hit over 20 times! TWENTY! Any QB would be gun shy.

I do think the defense played GREAT in the 1st half. Those turnovers don't just happen. Also, #84 couldn't catch a cold. Once they figured out Miles could catch, they just kept throwing to him.

And, what happened to my fantasy TE, Witten? I figured him for 120 and 2 TDs. But noooo, the Chiefs had to go and cover him, hmmm?

**DeezNutz** · 10-12-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Exactly. The poor guy was hit over 20 times! TWENTY! Any QB would be gun shy.

I do think the defense played GREAT in the 1st half. Those turnovers don't just happen. Also, #84 couldn't catch a cold. Once they figured out Miles could catch, they just kept throwing to him.

And, what happened to my fantasy TE, Witten? I figured him for 120 and 2 TDs. But noooo, the Chiefs had to go and cover him, hmmm?

And Choice averaging 11.5 per pop?

**SAUTO** · 10-12-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And Choice averaging 11.5 per pop?

that was the second half

L.A. Chieffan · 10-12-2009, 09:08 AM

You forgot LJ sucks ass.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-12-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

You forgot LJ sucks ass.

Given.

chiefs1111 · 10-12-2009, 09:10 AM

it's a good thing Felix Jones wasn't playing yesterday..

soundmind · 10-12-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Someone tell Dorothy that "there's no place like home" is a crock of shit

At bare minimum, half the stadium was in blue, and personally I think we were outnumbered. Reminded me of the game in STL back in 2006 where we outnumbered Rams fans. Dallas fans were loader when thier team needed it that Chiefs fans were, crowd noise was even a factor on an offensive penalty we committed.

Wait 'til Pittsburgh comes in, it'll be 75/25 Steelers fans.

Greatest fans in the NFL, my ass.

The "Greatest Fans in the NFL" I believe do reside in Kansas City. Unfortunately, a 2-30 record and nauseating play this season, has taken just a little of the wind from our sails. However, I will concede, I don't know when you could expect to see Arrowhead really "return"....maybe 2013-ish?

dallaschiefsfan · 10-12-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

The "Greatest Fans in the NFL" I believe do reside in Kansas City. Unfortunately, a 2-30 record and nauseating play this season, has taken just a little of the wind from our sails. However, I will concede, I don't know when you could expect to see Arrowhead really "return"....maybe 2013-ish?

I'm sorry...this whole explanation is part of the problem. Chiefs fans were supposed to be different. I was 100% for shoving it up ownership's ass when Herm effing Edwards and Carl Peterson needed to be shown the door...but now that they're finally gone, there's no excuse. I don't care if we lose every game. Get your asses back into the stadium seat and bring the force of your fandom's will on the other team!

It does have an affect. Hell, that was at least part of Marty's success.

If the above explanation is really what this fan-base has come to, then you might as well change the team's name to the Dallas Texans and wear those retro-helmets from now on...because you're NO effing different than Cowboy fans. You're fair-weather. At least get out to the damn stadium, drink a few beers and cause 20 false starts for the other team. The twelfth man effect is real. Now go out and do your part if you're season ticket holder or local resident. Damn, this frustrates me.

Hammock Parties · 10-12-2009, 09:20 AM

Boy I tell you, Warpath would NOT shut up about Sanchez during the game. Every other play it was "Oh, Sanchez scores there." Or, "Sanchez would have hit that guy."

Awful!

10-12-2009, 09:04 AM	Topic Starter
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2041115	Deep Thoughts: By OnTheWarpath58 Getting ready to watch the broadcast now, but I thought I'd share my thoughts from yesterday with Tiny and Clayton watching from Section 334 at Arrowhead. Do they call it "offense" because it's offensive? Watching from the upper level end zone gives you an opporunity to see the entire field, plays develop, etc - and just as suspected, our WR's ARE getting open. Cassel IS holding the ball too long. I lost count at how many times Bowe wasn't the 1st or second read. There were a few plays that come to mind that Clay and I discussed. One was a completion to Ryan, where he ran 10-15 yards up the seam, then hitched, and Cassel hit him. Cassel's eyes never left Ryan, and I asked where the ** he would have gone with the ball had Ryan not been open. You can't lock onto one ing guy in this league. Another, where Bowe ran a 10 yard out, was wide open, and Cassel threw the ball away. Guys WERE open yesterday, but Cassel has to realize that guys aren't going to be WIDE ING OPEN like they were in NE. If the WR has a step, get the ing ball in there. Which he did on the game tying drive. So if we can program Matt Cassel's brain to think that every drive is do or die, he might become a solid QB. Otherwise, we have a "franchise QB" that's afraid to throw the ball in tight spots. Speaking of OL, pass protection and run blocking became noticably improved when Goff left the game. So, should they call the defense "offense" as well? They are offensive too. I'll start with the only two positives I saw. Glenn Dorsey had his best game of the season. And I thought that Flowers had a good game as well, though I don't recall them throwing at him much - there were several plays that he either made the play in run support, or turned the RB back inside to the big boys, usually Mays. Mike Brown is a slower, dumber, undisciplined version of Bernard Pollard. I'm sure that Leggett is getting all the blame for the Austin TD's, but had Brown done his job, they would have been 15 yard gains instead of 60. Mike Vrabel shoudl stick to playing TE, because he's ing worthless as a LB. Another game giving up 500 yards of offense, 150 of it on the ground, and I'm sure someone, somewhere has said something to the effect of the "defense is getting better." Bullshit. The Cowboys were the gift that kept on giving, and we said "** you." I don't recall a game where the opposition did this much to give a game to the Chiefs. A bounty of gifts wrapped in nice paper and a bow, and we shunned it like it was socks and underwear from Great Aunt Gertrude. 13 penalties. 4 fumbles, two of which we recovered and started drives in/near the red zone. (Thanks for half out points, Dallas!) Austin dropped 2 TD passes, and there was a 3rd at our end of the stadium that was dropped, and I don't recall who the WR was. And the best gift of all: Starting a drive in OT from the 50 **ing yard line, and getting ONE YARD. Nothing like getting that bike you wanted for Christmas, then getting so excited you decided to take it for a spin before Dad installed the seat. Ouch. Someone tell Dorothy that "there's no place like home" is a crock of shit** At bare minimum, half the stadium was in blue, and personally I think we were outnumbered. Reminded me of the game in STL back in 2006 where we outnumbered Rams fans. Dallas fans were loader when thier team needed it that Chiefs fans were, crowd noise was even a factor on an offensive penalty we committed. Wait 'til Pittsburgh comes in, it'll be 75/25 Steelers fans. Greatest fans in the NFL, my ass. That's it from memory, I'll probably post additional thoughts as the TV broadcast sparks some more.
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10-12-2009, 09:07 AM	#2
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	A receiver may be wide open, but the QB has to be able to see it to get the ball there. Our OL is S H I T. They not only do not open passing lanes (kinda important for a QB), but they also don't hold a block for, well, they don't hold blocks. The line is a sieve... a rusted, cracked, shot up with a figging 12-guage sieve that allows defenders to pour through. While Cassel and the receivers certainly deserves some of the blame, remember that the OL is just as important. Until we stabilize that area, it doesn't matter who we have at QB and receiver. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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10-12-2009, 09:12 AM	#3
Goldmember You GOTTA get it done! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Casino cash: $9856738	What I want to know is how you could see Cassel's eyes from the upper level? :P
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10-12-2009, 09:19 AM	#5
Goldmember You GOTTA get it done! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Casino cash: $9856738	just messing with you. Thanks for the observations. I was wondering why he couldn't find open receivers. However, it does seem that Chiefs receivers get the least separation than any other teams' receivers. There is always a defender or two or three to tackle them right after the catch while our defenders play 10-15 yards back. Been this way for years.
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10-12-2009, 09:08 AM	#10
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10-12-2009, 09:10 AM	#12
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10-12-2009, 09:20 AM	#15
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $750478	Boy I tell you, Warpath would NOT shut up about Sanchez during the game. Every other play it was "Oh, Sanchez scores there." Or, "Sanchez would have hit that guy." Awful! __________________ Chiefs game films
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