If Berry is there and we pass

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-13-2010, 12:00 PM

For either

A) Okung
B) McClain
C) B5TA
D) Joe Haden
E) Dez White
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen)
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected)

How does that affect your view of this regime, if at all?

Sully · 02-13-2010, 12:05 PM

It doesn't.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-13-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

It doesn't.

Expand and develop.

Cosmos · 02-13-2010, 12:48 PM

I would think that if Berry is there and they don't take him, it will be for 3 reasons:

His left shoulder injury in 08 is a concern
Pioli realizes he needs a #1 WR -White
Trades out of #5

Sully · 02-17-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Expand and develop.

I'm sorry, I never returned to this thread, so I never saw your question.

If that were to happen, my opinion of Pioli wouldn't change. I would imagine a large number of Pioli's top picks are going to be head-scratchers. If I recall correctly, the Pats, when Pioli was there, were one of 4 teams who didn't use a scouting service, and only did their own scouting. With that, I assume the Chiefs will do the same thing.
So, keeping that in mind, I can imagine that, while how a service ranks players and an individual team ranks players may be close, there may be some big discrepancies in some players, as well.
I don't like the Jackson pick in the first round last year. But I'm gonna guess there won't be many drafts we have where we sit around on Monday patting each other on the backs for an A+ draft, either. I think it boils down to this...
It is what it is. Pioli and his people are going to value things differently than draft sites, fans, and other teams do. It's going to be hit and miss, just like draft sites, fans, and other teams. I'll judge Pioli's drafts to be good or bad after I see how they work out over the long haul, rather than short-term.

milkman · 02-13-2010, 12:05 PM

Since I was never on the Pioli bandwagon, I'd have to say that it would (continue) to reinforce my belief that Pioli was not the right guy for this job.

DumbHillbillies · 02-13-2010, 01:05 PM

All I have to say is that whomever they pick better make a significant contribution in the near future. Not a he contributes in a way that fans don't appreciate pick. Ultimately, I'll judge this regime in wins and losses starting this year. Last year was a throw away year. This team better improve significantly every year.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 01:14 PM

If they take Dan Williams or Bradford I would be thrilled. Obviously other then C I wouldn't really care either way. I started a thread thowing how players drafted 11-15 are often better then the guys drafted 1-5 the same year. So just because a guy like Berry is graded a top 5 pick and Williams is graded top 15 really doesn't mean a thing IMO. I'm not on the Cassell bandwagon and I know enough about Bradford to be excited about that pick.

RustShack · 02-13-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

If they take Dan Williams or Bradford I would be thrilled. Obviously other then C I wouldn't really care either way. I started a thread thowing how players drafted 11-15 are often better then the guys drafted 1-5 the same year. So just because a guy like Berry is graded a top 5 pick and Williams is graded top 15 really doesn't mean a thing IMO. I'm not on the Cassell bandwagon and I know enough about Bradford to be excited about that pick.

Those guys are often better because they are on a better team..

**Dave Lane** · 02-13-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DumbHillbillies

All I have to say is that whomever they pick better make a significant contribution in the near future. Not a he contributes in a way that fans don't appreciate pick. Ultimately, I'll judge this regime in wins and losses starting this year. Last year was a throw away year. This team better improve significantly every year.

This is the correct answer. I think Berry is a darn good player but I want a playmaker period end of story don't care what their draft rating is or what position they play. As far as positional value safety is only a couple of notches above center. They pull a major playmaker and they have my support whoever it is.

I'm getting to the point I want them to pass on Berry because of this sycophancy from the "experts" on Chiefsplanet.

Dark Horse · 02-13-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

This is the correct answer. I think Berry is a darn good player but I want a playmaker period end of story don't care what their draft rating is or what position they play. As far as positional value safety is only a couple of notches above center. They pull a major playmaker and they have my support whoever it is.

I'm getting to the point I want them to pass on Berry because of this sycophancy from the "experts" on Chiefsplanet.

I used to think that but watching the Steelers without Polamolu or the Colts without Bob Sanders or the Ravens without Ed Reed has changed my mind. A great safety can be the glue that holds a defense together specially in todays pass happy league.

Direckshun · 02-13-2010, 01:15 PM

Haden I could live with, but that ****er better be the next Darelle Revis if he does.

Everybody else, I'd flip my shit.

Fortunately, I'm betting that Berry's off the board by the time we pick so I won't have to flip out.

L.A. Chieffan · 02-13-2010, 01:17 PM

A) Okung Smash face with crowbar
B) McClain Throw my self through plate glass window
C) B5TA Circular saw to my testicles
D) Joe Haden Inject Draino directly into jugular
E) Dez White Umm, yeah right
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen) Squeeze cranium in vice until eye crosses like Bradford
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected) Agent Johnson: Lose twenty, twenty-five percent of the hostages.
Special Agent Johnson: I can live with that.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-13-2010, 01:35 PM

If they take Okung, I'll go ****ing crazy.

Anyone else, I'll wait and see how they perform.

Titty Meat · 02-13-2010, 01:46 PM

Dan Williams seems like a Pioli pick and if he plays good I won't care. The others suck though.

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DumbHillbillies He-Haw ! He-Haw ! Join Date: Jul 2008 Casino cash: $10004925	All I have to say is that whomever they pick better make a significant contribution in the near future. Not a he contributes in a way that fans don't appreciate pick. Ultimately, I'll judge this regime in wins and losses starting this year. Last year was a throw away year. This team better improve significantly every year.
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BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $-1830878	If they take Dan Williams or Bradford I would be thrilled. Obviously other then C I wouldn't really care either way. I started a thread thowing how players drafted 11-15 are often better then the guys drafted 1-5 the same year. So just because a guy like Berry is graded a top 5 pick and Williams is graded top 15 really doesn't mean a thing IMO. I'm not on the Cassell bandwagon and I know enough about Bradford to be excited about that pick.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Haden I could live with, but that ****er better be the next Darelle Revis if he does. Everybody else, I'd flip my shit. Fortunately, I'm betting that Berry's off the board by the time we pick so I won't have to flip out.
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