The Theory Of The Humongous Stones Thread

[FAX]

Whilst working this evening, I happened to have the TV tuned to the History Channel as they were re-airing a documentary on Ancient Aliens. Basically, it was the same old hash about huge, old monuments and the assumed difficulties involved in building them without the use of technology in some form or fashion ... blah, blah, ho hum, etc.

But then, all of a sudden, this one wacky dude made a statement that caught my attention. He said, "Why would the builders make their job so much more difficult by carving, transporting, and elevating these mammoth, individual stones?"

When you think about it, that's a darn good question. The weights we're talking about are formidable. For example, The Colossi of Memnon in Egypt are carved from two stones weighing an estimated 1000 tons each (some archaeologists peg them at 1200 tons each, actually).

Then there's the Stellae of Axum which weighs about 500 tons, the Ramesseum in Egypt which weighs in at an estimated 1000 tons, the 'Stone of the South' in Lebanon which is around 1200 tons, and the Unfinished Obelisk also in Egypt and also in the 1200 ton range. And these are just a few examples of enormous, megalithic stones which modern builders would have great difficulty manipulating in a construction setting.

The reason is that there are a variety of modern cranes rated to the 100- to 300-ton capacity. However, it takes a custom crane to lift anything beyond that tonnage. NASA, for example, had to build a custom crane with a lifting capacity of 430 tons to lift the shuttle. And, a New York engineering company has a specialty crane with a lift capacity of 500 tons that is used to lift other cranes to the top of high-rise construction sites. So far, I haven't identified any modern crane with the lift capacity to handle a 1000 ton rock. And, of course, that's just lifting ... not transporting, or manipulating the stone into place at the job site.

Okay, so these builders liked big rocks. I get that part. However, it's completely obvious that they could have used smaller stones that were easier to quarry, easier to transport, and far easier to use in construction to accomplish the same building objectives. So why did they choose to make their job so much more difficult by using these enormous stones?

The argument for many "ancient technology" theorists seems to be that the builders used big rocks because, for them, it just wasn't all that difficult ... in other words, they had super secret methods and means of which we modern dudes are unaware (like those used by the crazy Coral Castle guy, maybe).

I know that Planeteers understand building stuff, hauling stuff, and stacking stuff, so I thought I'd throw this thread out there to see what you guys think about the question. Is it possible that the ancients worked with megalithic stones because they had the ability to do so easily? Or, were they just making their slaves work their asses off for the sheer joy of it?

FAX

Disclaimers: Sorry if repost.

[Pants]

Repost.

[DaneMcCloud]

If you believe in Dan's Brown theory, which is put forth in his latest novel "The Solomon Key", the Ancient Mysteries also include the forgotten and long lost power of the human mind and "collective consciousness".

He basically states that human beings when focusing on one event, whether it be prayer or moving 500 ton stones, can accomplish God-like "miracles" with the power of the human mind.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you believe in Dan's Brown theory, which is put forth in his latest novel "The Solomon Key", the Ancient Mysteries also include the forgotten and long lost power of the human mind and "collective consciousness".

He basically states that human beings when focusing on one event, whether it be prayer or moving 500 ton stones, can accomplish God-like "miracles" with the power of the human mind.

I'll have to check that book out sometime soon. I enjoyed DaVinci Code before it went big time.

Jesus said that with faith the size of a mustard seed (very small) a man can tell a mountain to move and it will move. I have always felt that this is a direct comment to the power we have in our brains that is currently untapped. I can see how this "brainpower" could have worked in this kind of situation.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you believe in Dan's Brown theory, which is put forth in his latest novel "The Solomon Key", the Ancient Mysteries also include the forgotten and long lost power of the human mind and "collective consciousness".

He basically states that human beings when focusing on one event, whether it be prayer or moving 500 ton stones, can accomplish God-like "miracles" with the power of the human mind.

The nazis were big time into this.

http://greyfalcon.us/Ahnenerbe.htm

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you believe in Dan's Brown theory, which is put forth in his latest novel "The Solomon Key", the Ancient Mysteries also include the forgotten and long lost power of the human mind and "collective consciousness".

He basically states that human beings when focusing on one event, whether it be prayer or moving 500 ton stones, can accomplish God-like "miracles" with the power of the human mind.

That's kind of a cool theory.

Let's test it. I have a paper clip that is sitting on a small table in my dining room. (I'm working at home today.) At 8:10 a.m. Mountain Time according to this clock (9:10 a.m. for you central time people), everyone concentrate really hard for one full minute on raising that paper clip.

I'd show a picture of it, but my worry is that people will then concentrate on the picture of the paper clip rather than the paper clip itself. So concentrate on a paper clip that is sitting on a brown granite table next to a pile of Smithsonian magazines in a house in central Denver.

Seriously, folks. Do it. Sixty full seconds of concentration. If we can do this, we'll be rich beyond our wildest dreams.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you believe in Dan's Brown theory, which is put forth in his latest novel "The Solomon Key", the Ancient Mysteries also include the forgotten and long lost power of the human mind and "collective consciousness".

He basically states that human beings when focusing on one event, whether it be prayer or moving 500 ton stones, can accomplish God-like "miracles" with the power of the human mind.

I just finished reading that (The Lost Symbol). He talked a lot about the Noetic Science stuff figuring this out again. There is such a thing as Noetic Science.

But . . . that's just not how atoms work like we can tell they do. I think it would be cool if it did work, but consider me a serious skeptic.

[teedubya]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

I just finished reading that (The Lost Symbol). He talked a lot about the Noetic Science stuff figuring this out again. There is such a thing as Noetic Science.

But . . . that's just not how atoms work like we can tell they do. I think it would be cool if it did work, but consider me a serious skeptic.

I've been a subscriber to them for a few years. The Noetic Sciences are quite fascinating.

As is Sacred Geometry... and how it relates to DNA. it's amazing.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by FAX

Whilst working this evening, I happened to have the TV tuned to the History Channel as they were re-airing a documentary on Ancient Aliens. Basically, it was the same old hash about huge, old monuments and the assumed difficulties involved in building them without the use of technology in some form or fashion ... blah, blah, ho hum, etc.

But then, all of a sudden, this one wacky dude made a statement that caught my attention. He said, "Why would the builders make their job so much more difficult by carving, transporting, and elevating these mammoth, individual stones?"

When you think about it, that's a darn good question. The weights we're talking about are formidable. For example, The Colossi of Memnon in Egypt are carved from two stones weighing an estimated 1000 tons each (some archaeologists peg them at 1200 tons each, actually).

Then there's the Stellae of Axum which weighs about 500 tons, the Ramesseum in Egypt which weighs in at an estimated 1000 tons, the 'Stone of the South' in Lebanon which is around 1200 tons, and the Unfinished Obelisk also in Egypt and also in the 1200 ton range. And these are just a few examples of enormous, megalithic stones which modern builders would have great difficulty manipulating in a construction setting.

The reason is that there are a variety of modern cranes rated to the 100- to 300-ton capacity. However, it takes a custom crane to lift anything beyond that tonnage. NASA, for example, had to build a custom crane with a lifting capacity of 430 tons to lift the shuttle. And, a New York engineering company has a specialty crane with a lift capacity of 500 tons that is used to lift other cranes to the top of high-rise construction sites. So far, I haven't identified any modern crane with the lift capacity to handle a 1000 ton rock. And, of course, that's just lifting ... not transporting, or manipulating the stone into place at the job site.

Okay, so these builders liked big rocks. I get that part. However, it's completely obvious that they could have used smaller stones that were easier to quarry, easier to transport, and far easier to use in construction to accomplish the same building objectives. So why did they choose to make their job so much more difficult by using these enormous stones?

The argument for many "ancient technology" theorists seems to be that the builders used big rocks because, for them, it just wasn't all that difficult ... in other words, they had super secret methods and means of which we modern dudes are unaware (like those used by the crazy Coral Castle guy, maybe).

I know that Planeteers understand building stuff, hauling stuff, and stacking stuff, so I thought I'd throw this thread out there to see what you guys think about the question. Is it possible that the ancients worked with megalithic stones because they had the ability to do so easily? Or, were they just making their slaves work their asses off for the sheer joy of it?

FAX

Disclaimers: Sorry if repost.

[Buck]

They didn't have TV back then FAX.

[FAX]

Okay. Power of combined consciousness. I can grok that. No problem.

And regardless of how skeptical you repost police and critics and neer-do-wells may be about the megalithic constructions throughout the world, the question of, "Why would they use the big rocks when they didn't have to ..." is a damn good question, in my book anyhow.

Sure, they were barely out of prehistoric times and, therefore, stupid ... but, damn. One would think that eventually somebody would have said, "Hey! Let's stop carrying these big ass rocks and, instead, let's use lots of little ones."

FAX

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by FAX

Okay. Power of combined consciousness. I can grok that. No problem.

And regardless of how skeptical you repost police and critics and neer-do-wells may be about the megalithic constructions throughout the world, the question of, "Why would they use the big rocks when they didn't have to ..." is a damn good question, in my book anyhow.

Sure, they were barely out of prehistoric times and, therefore, stupid ... but, damn. One would think that eventually somebody would have said, "Hey! Let's stop carrying these big ass rocks and, instead, let's use lots of little ones."

FAX

They didn't carry them, they used their collective consciousness to move them telepathically.

Easy as pie.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They didn't carry them, they used their collective consciousness to move them telepathically.

Easy as pie.

I wonder how many people it took to "think move" a 1000 ton rock a dozen or so miles ...

For that matter, I wonder how many people it would take to "think" the BP oil gusher to stop. That would be damn cool, actually. We could get a medal probably. Maybe even some free gas.

FAX

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by FAX

I wonder how many people it took to "think move" a 1000 ton rock a dozen or so miles ...

For that matter, I wonder how many people it would take to "think" the BP oil gusher to stop. That would be damn cool, actually. We could get a medal probably. Maybe even some free gas.

FAX

Collective People: We stopped the oil gusher! Now we get free gas from BP as part of their gratitude!

BP: lol no

Collective People: But we fixed your problem. You should repay us!

BP: Well, that's what you get for thinking

*rimshot*

[ChiefaRoo]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

They didn't carry them, they used their collective consciousness to move them telepathically.

Easy as pie.

You're high.