Chiefs Why I support Todd Haley

chiefzilla1501 · 12-12-2011, 06:46 PM

I know this is going to get me shit. Fire away.

If it's true that Haley pushed back on Tyson Jackson, that tells you everything you need to know. Scott Pioli did NOT build a team around his head coach. He forced his coach to run the only system he knows. Know why Haley called Jackson a "system player"? Because Tyson Jackson is only a 3-4 DE in a 2-gap, Romeo 3-4. Does any NFL team run this defense anymore? Even the Patriots don't.

Case study. What defense is Thomas Dimitroff running in Atlanta? You guessed it. A 4-3. That's because good GMs adjust their philosophy to fit the coach.

Look at the new candidates for head coach. It's going to be from the tree. You know how I know that? 1) because Pioli has shown croneyism this entire time. 2) because he is so stuck on one offensive and defensive philosophy that he needs to hire a coach who follows his marching orders.

Not only should we question if the 2-gap 3-4 defense is obsolete. We have to question why Pioli would expect Haley to make a complete transition to a new defense requiring totally different personnel and turn that around in 3 years.

How about the obvious? Pioli is the guy who scouted Cassel for years and believed he was the long-term starter. In 3 years, the only QBs he brought in to compete for the starting job were Tyler Palko (probably Haley's choice, but that doesn't mean Pioli didn't have the power to bring a competitive veteran option in) and a 5th round pick he waited 3 years to bring in. Fail.

How about the second-most obvious? Pioli forced Haley to run a 3-4 and didn't in 3 years even try to bring in a Nose Tackle.

People may get on Haley's case for not getting along with Charlie Weis. It sounds like the relationship was doomed from the start and credit Whitlock for being the only guy to figure that out. Pioli has ultimate say, but if Haley flat-out didn't want to work with the guy, then don't bring him in. Pioli has to have at least some consideration for what Haley wants. And now, because of that, haley ends up looking like the asshole.

The Chiefs are finding a convenient time to fire Haley because people hate the Palko decision. First of all, his choice was Palko or a 5th round rookie. Second of all, it sounds like haley's job was pretty much gone well before Palko started a game. So no... not convinced at all that Haley starts Palko if he knows his job is safe. I wouldn't even be surprised if that was just a big **** you after a while.

In 3 years, Scott Pioli forces Haley to completely change his defense and doesn't spend a dime to help him out.
People say the Chiefs' effort was inconsistent. I call bullshit. This team had so many talent gaps that the only way they could win was with effort. Given the Chiefs' talent, especially at the most critical positions, it's amazing they won as many games the past 2 years as they did. You give Haley the Chargers' talent, and he takes them to the top. Not every team is going to play 100% every single game. The difference is that the best teams have enough talent that they can win even when the other team outplays them.

The Chiefs brought in Kyle Orton. I was okay with that move as a 1-2 year decision. But let's be serious about one thing... that's a pretty telltale sign that Pioli is bringing in McDaniels.

Haley's job was to coach up players. Many players under his watch who had any kind of upside really improved.

I don't like the snake-like tactics we're seeing from our front office. It sounds like they were leaking stories about Haley to discredit him. Between the Lil Wayne concert and the party before the Bears game (after a win, mind you).
We've seen firey Haley before. Even with big efforts in Chicago and Pittsburgh, it looked like he just didn't have any fire. I think he knew he was through and the front office was just waiting for a chance to fire him.

He's a young coach. He's going to make mistakes. The beginning of the season was a horrible mistake. But that's not one mistake that should get you fired.

Flame away. I want to know... if the GM let Haley run a defense he wanted to run, have some input on his coordinator, actually gave Haley good QBs to work with... how would we have fared? And how comfortable do people feel that the grand vision for this team as long as Pioli is here is this exact New England approach that even New England isn't using anymore?

aturnis · 12-12-2011, 06:49 PM

Amen brutha! **** Pioli and Clark. It should have been Pioli instead...

HoneyBadger · 12-12-2011, 06:49 PM

Like Nick Wright said:

If Pioli was planning a road trip and he had a set of directions and Haley wanted to take a shortcut or a different path, and they got lost because they took this new path, the blame would fall on Haley.

I think it is a pretty good analogy, if Haley would have just been a puppet for Pioli he would still have his job.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-12-2011, 06:50 PM

Horrible game day decisions, the team being unprepared at the start of the season and being blown to oblivion 5 times this year is enough to get anyone fired. Sorry.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-12-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Horrible game day decisions, the team being unprepared at the start of the season and being blown to oblivion 5 times this year is enough to get anyone fired. Sorry.

The beginning of the season is a mistake to learn from.

The blowouts excuse is a lousy one. The team doesn't have enough talent, especially marching out our injury-ridden C-squad, especially marching out our pathetic backup QBs, to consistently compete.

That's been true for 3 years. We've been winning primarily on effort, not talent.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-12-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The beginning of the season is a mistake to learn from.

The blowouts excuse is a lousy one. The team doesn't have enough talent, especially marching out our injury-ridden C-squad, especially marching out our pathetic backup QBs, to consistently compete.

That's been true for 3 years. We've been winning primarily on effort, not talent.

Bullshit. It's the NFL, not college ball. There is no excuse to lose by that much that many times, especially at Arrowhead. Lots of teams have injuries, but they don't get blown out by Miami at home.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-12-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Bullshit. It's the NFL, not college ball. There is no excuse to lose by that much that many times, especially at Arrowhead. Lots of teams have injuries, but they don't get blown out by Miami at home.

Not having a QB is a good excuse. Stanzi is a third stringer on most rosters and Palko isn't on any roster at all.

Again. Let me pose this question. Does anyone hear think that Aaron Rodgers gets blown out of those games? What about Jason Campbell?

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-12-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Not having a QB is a good excuse. Stanzi is a third stringer on most rosters and Palko isn't on any roster at all.

Again. Let me pose this question. Does anyone hear think that Aaron Rodgers gets blown out of those games? What about Jason Campbell?

How many team records for ass beatings at Arrowhead would it take for you to give up on the guy. The entire top 10? This team has been a god damn embarrasment far too many times in the "Haley era".

bricks · 12-12-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Horrible game day decisions, the team being unprepared at the start of the season and being blown to oblivion 5 times this year is enough to get anyone fired. Sorry.

Amen

**the Talking Can** · 12-12-2011, 06:51 PM

haley was fired, fyi...

Titty Meat · 12-12-2011, 06:51 PM

Why Nobody cares.

FloridaMan88 · 12-12-2011, 06:51 PM

Bill Muir.

Enough reason to shit can Haley.

JCharles1981 · 12-13-2011, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Bill Muir.

Enough reason to shit can Haley.

Remind me again why Pioli didn't bust his ass to keep Charlie Weis as the Chiefs' OC?

Urc Burry · 12-13-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Remind me again why Pioli didn't bust his ass to keep Charlie Weis as the Chiefs' OC?

Haley was almost fired after the playoff game.

12-12-2011, 06:46 PM	Topic Starter
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1725503	Why I support Todd Haley I know this is going to get me shit. Fire away. If it's true that Haley pushed back on Tyson Jackson, that tells you everything you need to know. Scott Pioli did NOT build a team around his head coach. He forced his coach to run the only system he knows. Know why Haley called Jackson a "system player"? Because Tyson Jackson is only a 3-4 DE in a 2-gap, Romeo 3-4. Does any NFL team run this defense anymore? Even the Patriots don't. Case study. What defense is Thomas Dimitroff running in Atlanta? You guessed it. A 4-3. That's because good GMs adjust their philosophy to fit the coach. Look at the new candidates for head coach. It's going to be from the tree. You know how I know that? 1) because Pioli has shown croneyism this entire time. 2) because he is so stuck on one offensive and defensive philosophy that he needs to hire a coach who follows his marching orders. Not only should we question if the 2-gap 3-4 defense is obsolete. We have to question why Pioli would expect Haley to make a complete transition to a new defense requiring totally different personnel and turn that around in 3 years. How about the obvious? Pioli is the guy who scouted Cassel for years and believed he was the long-term starter. In 3 years, the only QBs he brought in to compete for the starting job were Tyler Palko (probably Haley's choice, but that doesn't mean Pioli didn't have the power to bring a competitive veteran option in) and a 5th round pick he waited 3 years to bring in. Fail. How about the second-most obvious? Pioli forced Haley to run a 3-4 and didn't in 3 years even try to bring in a Nose Tackle. People may get on Haley's case for not getting along with Charlie Weis. It sounds like the relationship was doomed from the start and credit Whitlock for being the only guy to figure that out. Pioli has ultimate say, but if Haley flat-out didn't want to work with the guy, then don't bring him in. Pioli has to have at least some consideration for what Haley wants. And now, because of that, haley ends up looking like the asshole. The Chiefs are finding a convenient time to fire Haley because people hate the Palko decision. First of all, his choice was Palko or a 5th round rookie. Second of all, it sounds like haley's job was pretty much gone well before Palko started a game. So no... not convinced at all that Haley starts Palko if he knows his job is safe. I wouldn't even be surprised if that was just a big **** you after a while. In 3 years, Scott Pioli forces Haley to completely change his defense and doesn't spend a dime to help him out. People say the Chiefs' effort was inconsistent. I call bullshit. This team had so many talent gaps that the only way they could win was with effort. Given the Chiefs' talent, especially at the most critical positions, it's amazing they won as many games the past 2 years as they did. You give Haley the Chargers' talent, and he takes them to the top. Not every team is going to play 100% every single game. The difference is that the best teams have enough talent that they can win even when the other team outplays them. The Chiefs brought in Kyle Orton. I was okay with that move as a 1-2 year decision. But let's be serious about one thing... that's a pretty telltale sign that Pioli is bringing in McDaniels. Haley's job was to coach up players. Many players under his watch who had any kind of upside really improved. I don't like the snake-like tactics we're seeing from our front office. It sounds like they were leaking stories about Haley to discredit him. Between the Lil Wayne concert and the party before the Bears game (after a win, mind you). We've seen firey Haley before. Even with big efforts in Chicago and Pittsburgh, it looked like he just didn't have any fire. I think he knew he was through and the front office was just waiting for a chance to fire him. He's a young coach. He's going to make mistakes. The beginning of the season was a horrible mistake. But that's not one mistake that should get you fired. Flame away. I want to know... if the GM let Haley run a defense he wanted to run, have some input on his coordinator, actually gave Haley good QBs to work with... how would we have fared? And how comfortable do people feel that the grand vision for this team as long as Pioli is here is this exact New England approach that even New England isn't using anymore?
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aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	Amen brutha! **** Pioli and Clark. It should have been Pioli instead...
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HoneyBadger The chosen one Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: DTX Casino cash: $-2124240	Like Nick Wright said: If Pioli was planning a road trip and he had a set of directions and Haley wanted to take a shortcut or a different path, and they got lost because they took this new path, the blame would fall on Haley. I think it is a pretty good analogy, if Haley would have just been a puppet for Pioli he would still have his job.
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $208880	Horrible game day decisions, the team being unprepared at the start of the season and being blown to oblivion 5 times this year is enough to get anyone fired. Sorry.
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9202208	haley was fired, fyi... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-707094	Bill Muir. Enough reason to shit can Haley.
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