Life Has anyone heard of "Power4Patriots" system

Holladay · 05-17-2013, 06:07 PM

I signed up for it. They show you how to get off the power grid using everyday tools and equipment to build solar panels/wind turbines/solar hot water/solar heat.

One 20x30" solar panel will generate 18v, enough to charge a 12v battery for less the $200. The wind turbine varies as to volts based upon generator size. The 30v setup will create about the same 12v at low wind speed for $140. It requires generators that produce at low rpm. They site used floor buffers as an option.

Again, it's a DIY. They supply the info to step-by-step assemble. All used in conjunction, to at least lower energy costs or go completely off the grid.

Basic Solar/Wind cdrom $27
Platinum Package dvd provides hard copy version includes solar hot water heater, solar heater, disater manuel, solar cooker etc $67
"Living off the Grid" dvd Personal walk through on how to install $20
"Liberty Seeds" Seed Vault $67

All said and done about $250. As you can tell, this is kinda the whacko world comes to an end product. I DO like the idea of providing no nonsense, something that I can build to lower energy costs.

I watched the building a solar panel and wind turbine. Its not rocket science. I've researched a lil bit on alternative sources and the intial cost was 10-20k to go off grid....nope.

Keep in mind, the $250 is for the "how to", not the supplies and work to manufacture.

I was thinking that 10 solar panels at $200/per and 1-2 Larger generated wind turbines at $300/per. Thus for under 4k, I can put a big dent in energy costs. My electric costs per year is about 2k.

Keep in mind, I live out in the country on 10 acres. Thus space is not an issue.

Thoughts from CP?

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-17-2013, 06:10 PM

Dubya may have something like this in his bunker

MMXcalibur · 05-17-2013, 06:10 PM

The Patriot Way.....part two?!?!?!

**Saulbadguy** · 05-17-2013, 06:11 PM

Scam.

**mikeyis4dcats.** · 05-17-2013, 06:12 PM

I guarantee you could find anything on the CD for free on the internet.

Holladay · 05-17-2013, 06:23 PM

Prolly correct. But after watching the vids, just the techinque in applying the solder on the connections and the step by step instructions on other electrical applications was worth it.

In the end, me thinks, for $250 bucks, get an education on techniques using pvc and standard metal pipe = lower power bills = good.

Get this. The wind turbine blades are made out of 6" pvc pipe cut in quaters. Cut down a bit more and sanded for aero properties.

threebag · 05-17-2013, 07:47 PM

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 05-17-2013, 07:57 PM

If it was this easy. People(every ****ing body) would have t his set up and sell electricity back to the utility.

Holladay · 05-18-2013, 01:12 AM

Quote:

If it was this easy. People(every ****ing body)

Thats the point of this. And it is

K...just checking

Let her die

still gonna do it..some day. At least I have have the knowledge on how to.

Just wanted to know if someone on the planet has looked at it.

**TinyEvel** · 05-18-2013, 02:14 AM

It's a process. a solar process.

**bevischief** · 05-18-2013, 06:06 AM

Yes I have but never bought anything from them.

MagicHef · 05-18-2013, 06:43 AM

Have you compared the prices with what else is available? On their website, they say they make 70 watts max from 36 panels, so about 2 watts per panel. Is that the panel that it takes $200 to make?

Right here there's a 218 watt panel for $217:

http://www.civicsolar.com/product/ca...t-solar-panel?

NewChief · 05-18-2013, 09:40 AM

A friend of mine owns a local pizza franchise. He's going solar with one of his locations. The system was going to cost him like 45k. However by the time he got all his rebates and tax write offs from it, it's going to cost him like 10k. He figured just the publicity and positive press alone is worth that much, never mind the energy savings.

It's funny as well because this guy is, fiscally, a Tea Party type.

Titty Meat · 05-18-2013, 10:38 AM

Awful idea

mikey23545 · 05-18-2013, 12:36 PM

"This Power4Patriots scam is a replica of the Power4Home scam. It is being advertised on the Fox news site and others using a similar banner and the same claim. We suggest that the information published on the Internet debunking this product has forced a name change.

In keeping with the tactic of appearing to be endorsed by Fox News - from Chris at MapaWatt: "The narrator tries to rely on the Beck tactics of over dramatization, blaming the government and greedy corporations, trying to appeal to the audience’s emotions while playing loose with the facts, etc. ...

The Power4Patriots on-line presentation includes "As seen on" Fox News and other reputable media sites. On further investigation (August 8th) we have found no content on the Fox News web site relating to this claim. It appears that Fox News is serving adverts for Power4Home on it's pages. To Fox News; this is not helpful! We have contacted Fox News to advise them of the misuse of their brand.

You cannot build your own solar cells anymore than you can make your own plasma TV. You can purchase the parts, but the silicon solar cells are most of the cost of the panel. You can wire up your own cells and mount them in a frame, but there is no way you are going to get anything for $150 that will be of much use. You would be lucky to put together a 10W system that could power a compact florescent bulb for about 6 hours a day. This is no power sucking gadget at all!

If by some chance, the plans were for a real DIY solar panel, or DIY wind generator there is still no possible way to build a solar panel from components at a reasonable cost. It would like trying to build a car from spare parts."

05-17-2013, 06:07 PM	Topic Starter
Holladay Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $89480	Has anyone heard of "Power4Patriots" system I signed up for it. They show you how to get off the power grid using everyday tools and equipment to build solar panels/wind turbines/solar hot water/solar heat. One 20x30" solar panel will generate 18v, enough to charge a 12v battery for less the $200. The wind turbine varies as to volts based upon generator size. The 30v setup will create about the same 12v at low wind speed for $140. It requires generators that produce at low rpm. They site used floor buffers as an option. Again, it's a DIY. They supply the info to step-by-step assemble. All used in conjunction, to at least lower energy costs or go completely off the grid. Basic Solar/Wind cdrom $27 Platinum Package dvd provides hard copy version includes solar hot water heater, solar heater, disater manuel, solar cooker etc $67 "Living off the Grid" dvd Personal walk through on how to install $20 "Liberty Seeds" Seed Vault $67 All said and done about $250. As you can tell, this is kinda the whacko world comes to an end product. I DO like the idea of providing no nonsense, something that I can build to lower energy costs. I watched the building a solar panel and wind turbine. Its not rocket science. I've researched a lil bit on alternative sources and the intial cost was 10-20k to go off grid....nope. Keep in mind, the $250 is for the "how to", not the supplies and work to manufacture. I was thinking that 10 solar panels at $200/per and 1-2 Larger generated wind turbines at $300/per. Thus for under 4k, I can put a big dent in energy costs. My electric costs per year is about 2k. Keep in mind, I live out in the country on 10 acres. Thus space is not an issue. Thoughts from CP?
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Holladay Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $89480	Prolly correct. But after watching the vids, just the techinque in applying the solder on the connections and the step by step instructions on other electrical applications was worth it. In the end, me thinks, for $250 bucks, get an education on techniques using pvc and standard metal pipe = lower power bills = good. Get this. The wind turbine blades are made out of 6" pvc pipe cut in quaters. Cut down a bit more and sanded for aero properties.
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MagicHef The Seated Villain Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle Casino cash: $540247	Have you compared the prices with what else is available? On their website, they say they make 70 watts max from 36 panels, so about 2 watts per panel. Is that the panel that it takes $200 to make? Right here there's a 218 watt panel for $217: http://www.civicsolar.com/product/ca...t-solar-panel?
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05-18-2013, 09:40 AM	#13
NewChief In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR Casino cash: $7210204	A friend of mine owns a local pizza franchise. He's going solar with one of his locations. The system was going to cost him like 45k. However by the time he got all his rebates and tax write offs from it, it's going to cost him like 10k. He figured just the publicity and positive press alone is worth that much, never mind the energy savings. It's funny as well because this guy is, fiscally, a Tea Party type. __________________ In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. - H. L. Mencken
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05-18-2013, 12:36 PM	#15
mikey23545 MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10015321	"This Power4Patriots scam is a replica of the Power4Home scam. It is being advertised on the Fox news site and others using a similar banner and the same claim. We suggest that the information published on the Internet debunking this product has forced a name change. In keeping with the tactic of appearing to be endorsed by Fox News - from Chris at MapaWatt: "The narrator tries to rely on the Beck tactics of over dramatization, blaming the government and greedy corporations, trying to appeal to the audience’s emotions while playing loose with the facts, etc. ... The Power4Patriots on-line presentation includes "As seen on" Fox News and other reputable media sites. On further investigation (August 8th) we have found no content on the Fox News web site relating to this claim. It appears that Fox News is serving adverts for Power4Home on it's pages. To Fox News; this is not helpful! We have contacted Fox News to advise them of the misuse of their brand. You cannot build your own solar cells anymore than you can make your own plasma TV. You can purchase the parts, but the silicon solar cells are most of the cost of the panel. You can wire up your own cells and mount them in a frame, but there is no way you are going to get anything for $150 that will be of much use. You would be lucky to put together a 10W system that could power a compact florescent bulb for about 6 hours a day. This is no power sucking gadget at all! If by some chance, the plans were for a real DIY solar panel, or DIY wind generator there is still no possible way to build a solar panel from components at a reasonable cost. It would like trying to build a car from spare parts."
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