Football Shouldn't Safeties Be Worth More?

RINGLEADER · 11-11-2013, 08:35 PM

It's another way of getting the ball into the end zone after all. In most respects it's the hardest way to score points and even if you DO get the ball it seems a bit unfair to get only two measly points for such a big play,

Thoughts?

**Bowser** · 11-11-2013, 08:35 PM

Sure, make it four points. Why the hell not?

KCrockaholic · 11-11-2013, 08:38 PM

**** it. Make it ten points.

**hometeam** · 11-11-2013, 08:39 PM

Its 2 because they kick it back to you.

**Baby Lee** · 11-11-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

It's another way of getting the ball into the end zone after all. In most respects it's the hardest way to score points and even if you DO get the ball it seems a bit unfair to get only two measly points for such a big play,

Thoughts?

I don't think you're overvaluing the safety, you're undervaluing the free possession. For a competent offense, a safety is in essence a 5-9 point play. Give any more points to a safety and you make the possibility of a lot of one play games.

**SAUTO** · 11-11-2013, 08:57 PM

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**CrazyPhuD** · 11-11-2013, 09:01 PM

You only get two points when you don't do the dance in the endzone.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-11-2013, 09:25 PM

If a team starts at the 40 yard line, they will score 1.8 points, on average, for that possession.

If you figure that is the average starting point after a safety, then a safety is, in essence, a 3.8 point play.

Simply Red · 11-12-2013, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If a team starts at the 40 yard line, they will score 1.8 points, on average, for that possession.

If you figure that is the average starting point after a safety, then a safety is, in essence, a 3.8 point play.

You can't bleach a Cerruti. Out of the question.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 11-12-2013, 08:33 AM

Speaking of safties. I'll bet we nail 3 of them on Manning. And with the 3rd he'll be carried off on a strecher. An extra long strecher to accomodate his neck and forehead.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-12-2013, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

You can't bleach a Cerruti. Out of the question.

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Prison Bitch · 11-12-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If a team starts at the 40 yard line, they will score 1.8 points, on average, for that possession.

If you figure that is the average starting point after a safety, then a safety is, in essence, a 3.8 point play.

I don't follow that because you essentially forced a turnover by getting the safety. You're double counting the effect of the actual play here. The new possession has nothing to do with the safety.

2 points is fair.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-12-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I don't follow that because you essentially forced a turnover by getting the safety. You're double counting the effect of the actual play here. The new possession has nothing to do with the safety.

2 points is fair.

You are just painfully stupid:

1) You get two points for the safety

2) The average field position after a safety is around the 40 yard line. That translates to an average of 1.8 points per possession.

2+1.8=3.8 points.

A safety may score you two points initially, but it's really worth 3.8 points.

Prison Bitch · 11-12-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You are just painfully stupid:

1) You get two points for the safety

2) The average field position after a safety is around the 40 yard line. That translates to an average of 1.8 points per possession.

2+1.8=3.8 points.

A safety may score you two points initially, but it's really worth 3.8 points.

Don't be stupid and irrational. They are independent. By your logic, a sack on 3rd down that forces the same punt from the same spot a safety does, should also be worth 1.8 points. And that's absurd.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-12-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Don't be stupid and irrational. They are independent. By your logic, a sack on 3rd down that forces the same punt from the same spot a safety does, should also be worth 1.8 points. And that's absurd.

It's not the spot from the punt, it's the starting average field position of the offense.

Teams that have a first down on the 40 score, on average, 1.8 points per possession.

If a team averages starting field possession on the 40, they will score, on average, 1.8 points on that possession. Sometimes they will score seven, sometimes they will score three, and often no points at all. But on average, they score that many points.

Thus, if you get the ball back on average at the 40 yard line, you can expect to score 1.8 points. Add that to the two points you've already scored, and you get 3.8 points.

You don't score 3.8 points with each safety, but on average, you will.

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