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View Poll Results: Who is the GOATest of all time against the Colts?
Part 1 - The GOATest of all time against the Colts is... 2 2.22%
The Safety Who Shall Not Be Named 23 25.56%
The Kicker Who Shall Not Be Named 54 60.00%
Part 2 - Comparing their sins, I would say that ... 2 2.22%
The safety is a far bigger goat than the kicker 14 15.56%
The safety is a slightly bigger goat than the kicker 7 7.78%
They're about the same 7 7.78%
The kicker is a slightly bigger goat than the safety 17 18.89%
The kicker is a far bigger goat than the safety 37 41.11%
Don't look at me. I'm now a Patriots fan, like that girl the NFL is sending to the Super Bowl. 7 7.78%
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:03 PM   Topic Starter
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Kendrick Lewis vs. Lin El - you know.

I shall forever be haunted by the vision of Kendrick Lewis running five yards behind that hotel guy on the long touchdown pass. There was no coverage at all. None. Zero. The hotel guy ran down the field and the second-year NFL legend just tossed him the ball. If Kendrick Lewis had been in the locker room watching Clockwork Orange instead of standing on the field, it would have made no difference at all.

So when we consider the two situations, we can make an argument for one of two players being the GOATest (Goatest of all time) against the Colts, if we disregard off-field contributors like Paul Hackett and Herm Edwards.

The argument for The Safety Who Shall Not Be Named to be the GOATest:

The Baltimore Colts or whoever they are are behind by six points. The safety who shall not be named let a wide receiver run more or less straight down the field for a 50+ yard touchdown catch, and at no point was within three yards of said receiver. The receiver, who no one had ever heard of before this game, ended up with the third-highest receiving yardage total in NFL playoff history. All we had to do was protect a 28-point lead for 1.5 quarters of football.

The argument against The Safety Who Shall Not Be Named to be the GOATest:

The modern NFL is designed to make defensive backs look like chumps. If the safety had approached within three yards of the wide receiver, he would have been called for holding or interference. The marketing department has declared that Andrew Luck will be the hero, not some defensive back who wasn't even a first round pick. Also, there were plenty of opportunities to replace Lewis since it was clear that he was struggling for most of the season, and the Chiefs didn't do it. Finally, we know that the NFL marketing department threatened Lewis' life if he didn't take a fall.

The argument for The Kicker Who Shall Not Be Named to be the GOATest:

The Baltimore Colts or whoever they are are ahead by three points. The kicker who shall not be named missed a 42 yard field goal to tie the game up, adding to the two others that he missed earlier in the game that were 35 and 39 yards. His main job was to make field goals, and he went 0 for 3 when it counted most. The team was much stronger and expectations were higher, so his sin is worse.

The argument against The Kicker Who Shall Not Be Named to be the GOATest:

It was one of the coldest games in NFL history, and the ball was a brick. The other kicker missed 2 of 3 attempts, so it's clear that it was a terrible day to be a kicker. Paul Hackett is to blame for the worst game plan in NFL history. There is also some evidence that the NFL marketing department threatened Elliott's life if he didn't take a fall.

Obviously, it's a team game yadda yadda yadda. Feel free to add arguments for or against.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:07 PM   #2
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man...

that's a tough call.

My gut says The safety. If bonehead Bono woulda played...well, like an average NFL qb and engineers at least ONE MORE TD DRIVE, then KC wins.

The safety...has no excuse. it's ultimately on HIM.
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:20 AM   #3
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man...

that's a tough call.

My gut says The safety. If bonehead Bono woulda played...well, like an average NFL qb and engineers at least ONE MORE TD DRIVE, then KC wins.

The safety...has no excuse. it's ultimately on HIM.
That is a good point to bring up. Didn't Bonehead throw like 5 picks?

Oh well, I vote for the horrible safety.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:08 PM   #4
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The kicker is much, much worse. It is virtually impossible that there will ever be a bigger goat than him.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:13 PM   #5
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The kicker is much, much worse. It is virtually impossible that there will ever be a bigger goat than him.
It was terrible conditions and the kickers were a combined 1 of 6. Granted, the Colts' safety also gave up some huge passes, but we never even saw Lewis in the frame. The highlight reels of that final touchdown will make future generations wonder why there were no Chiefs on the field.
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:42 AM   #6
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The kicker is much, much worse. It is virtually impossible that there will ever be a bigger goat than him.
I don't know about that, the safety position has so much influence on every defensive play.

considering how badly our defense played, Lewis is a pretty big goat.


The kicker has the more obvious mistakes but the safety has constant mistakes.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:43 PM   #7
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You guys act like Lynn Eliot is the boogie man. **** Lynn Eliot but I'm not sceered to say his name. He didn't cost us the last 20 years for not winning a playoff game all alone. Why can we say Scott Pioli, Herm Edwards, Greg Robinson, Carl Peterson, Todd Haley....ect.. ?
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:44 PM   #8
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Lewis is bad, but 35 points surrendered in 10 minutes doesn't fall on just one guy no matter how badly he played. Receivers were running free constantly no matter who lined up on them. Flowers, Smith, Robinson, Abdullah, Cooper, Berry, all were getting toasted quite handily, and quite repeatedly.


The kicker has one job.

Kick.

If he had a ****ing problem with the shoe on his plant foot as he claimed, WHY DIDNT HE CHANGE THE ****ING SHOE AFTER THE FIRST KICK?

Its a lie. There was no problem with the shoe. Guy was struggling to make PAT attempts earlier in the season.

He had 3 shots at very makeable field goals even for the most average NFL kicker. He blew every one of them and we lost by 3 points.

**** that guy. Seriously. Heard he tried to hang himself but couldn't manage to kick the stool out from under himself.
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Old 01-07-2014, 12:53 PM   #9
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Lewis is bad, but 35 points surrendered in 10 minutes doesn't fall on just one guy no matter how badly he played. Receivers were running free constantly no matter who lined up on them. Flowers, Smith, Robinson, Abdullah, Cooper, Berry, all were getting toasted quite handily, and quite repeatedly.


The kicker has one job.

Kick.

If he had a ****ing problem with the shoe on his plant foot as he claimed, WHY DIDNT HE CHANGE THE ****ING SHOE AFTER THE FIRST KICK?

Its a lie. There was no problem with the shoe. Guy was struggling to make PAT attempts earlier in the season.

He had 3 shots at very makeable field goals even for the most average NFL kicker. He blew every one of them and we lost by 3 points.

**** that guy. Seriously. Heard he tried to hang himself but couldn't manage to kick the stool out from under himself.
Wrong. Flowers, Cooper, and Smith all played fairly average for CB standards. Robinson and Lewis were awful and the Colts were torching them the whole game. Abdullah was actually pretty good from what I saw. I will agree, Berry didn't perform at the level we'd all expect, but he wasn't the reason we lost. It was 200 yards and 3 TDs given up by two defensive non-players.
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My theory is that the kicker just got out of the deepest circle of hell. His mistakes had more of a spotlight on them since kickers are kind of solo artists, but if you look objectively, the safety made the worst play since Rahim Moore. (No one will ever top Rahim Moore - giggle.) I think the safety has rightfully claimed the crown as the biggest playoff goat in Chiefs history, whether against the Colts or anyone else.
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That kicker had three opportunities to win the game. There is a special cell in the depths of hell waiting for him. The back did have more screwups than just that play but it was more of the whole team sh#ting in their diaper.

That being said, How do you let that receiver get behind you at that point in the game.
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That kicker had three opportunities to win the game. There is a special cell in the depths of hell waiting for him. The back did have more screwups than just that play but it was more of the whole team sh#ting in their diaper.

That being said, How do you let that receiver get behind you at that point in the game.
The top ten receiver performances in NFL playoff history by yardage:

Catches-Yards-Avg.-TD

1999 - Eric Moulds - 9-240-26.7-1
1988 - Anthony Carter - 10-227-22.7-0
2014 - TY Hilton - 13-224-17.3-2
2005 - Reggie Wayne - 10-221-22.1-2
2006 - Steve Smith - 12-218-18.2-2
1989 - Jerry Rice - 11-215-19.6-1
2012 - Calvin Johnson - 12-211-17.6-2
2012 - Demaryius Thomas - 4-204-51.0-1
1988 - Ricky Sanders - 9-193-21.4-2
1995 - Michael Irvin - 12-192-16.0-2

The top ten receiver performances in NFL playoff history by number of catches:

15 - Darren Spoles
13 - TY Hilton, Chad Morton, Shannon Sharpe, Thurman Thomas, Kellen Winslow
12 - Michael Irvin, Darrell Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith
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That kicker had three opportunities to win the game. There is a special cell in the depths of hell waiting for him. The back did have more screwups than just that play but it was more of the whole team sh#ting in their diaper.

That being said, How do you let that receiver get behind you at that point in the game.
I should have said "the receiver" , like in "No receiver should have gotten behind them at that point in the game. Hilton is pretty good but we made him into a Jerry Rice.
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