Chiefs Chiefs 2016 Defense

Chief_For_Life58 · 08-26-2016, 12:19 PM

I post this in another thread but I want to see what everyone thinks about our defense this year. I really dont think our defense is gonna be anywhere near as good as everyone thinks. Our olb is shit, really, think about it. Justin houston hurt, tamba is 65 years old, dee ford is a bust.

Corners: we have one proven good one. 1.

poe hasnt been anywhere near as explosive as he once was once that back injury.

linebackers: DJ is 80 years old, 120 tackles a year for the past 15 years? right. Mauga? lol.

berry is meh

I think our offense is gonna have to win the games for us now.

I'm just curious to see what everyone thinks on here. If theres already been a thread about this then go die in an aids ebola fire while harambe rapes you. Have a great day. Go Chiefs

ct · 08-26-2016, 12:23 PM

really no option but to answer worse at this point

only hope it's temporary and we get it back together towards the end of year

**The Franchise** · 08-26-2016, 12:36 PM

Berry is meh?

Suck a dick.

staylor26 · 08-26-2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Berry is meh?

Suck a dick.

Yea, what a ****ing idiot.

Chief_For_Life58 · 08-26-2016, 12:40 PM

ok berry is just above meh

**Baby Lee** · 08-26-2016, 12:44 PM

Really truly no way to know.

Sutton's scheme depends on each player working as a unit. When it works, it works. When it falls apart, it does so with alacrity.

Until we know what several key question stars are capable of, we're in limbo between beasting again and folding like a tent.

Not so worried about Berry, but Hali, Houston, Mauga and Gaines need to weigh in authoritatively before we can say anything educated.

Hydrae · 08-26-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Really truly no way to know.

Sutton's scheme depends on each player working as a unit. When it works, it works. When it falls apart, it does so with alacrity.

Until we know what several key question stars are capable of, we're in limbo between beasting again and folding like a tent.

Not so worried about Berry, but Hali, Houston, Mauga and Gaines need to weigh in authoritatively before we can say anything educated.

I had to quote this just to give props for the use of alacrity. Don't know when the last time I saw that in actual use. Great job!

**Bwana** · 08-26-2016, 12:46 PM

It's really had to say at this point because you have a lot of key players that haven't been on the field. Combine that with the vanilla defense that is typical of preseason and it's impossible to say for sure at this point. I think it will be about the same as last year.

OldSchool · 08-26-2016, 01:27 PM

The only really significant piece that we lost from last season was a reliable #2 CB in Sean Smith. No, he wasn't an All-Pro calibre CB but he was above average and did a bunch of things really well with his size and strength.

It remains to be seen if Gaines or someone else could be close to as effective as Smith was at RCB. I do have more faith in Gaines' ball skills, quickness, and overall speed than I did in Sean Smith's.

I don't trust the rookies not to **** up.

staylor26 · 08-26-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

The only really significant piece that we lost from last season was a reliable #2 CB in Sean Smith. No, he wasn't an All-Pro calibre CB but he was above average and did a bunch of things really well with his size and strength.

It remains to be seen if Gaines or someone else could be close to as effective as Smith was at RCB. I do have more faith in Gaines' ball skills, quickness, and overall speed than I did in Sean Smith's.

I don't trust the rookies not to **** up.

It's been said before, but Gaines and Ford are the keys on defense. Either way I don't think we'll be nearly as bad as some people are worrying/expecting based on the first two preseason games.

**jjchieffan** · 08-26-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

The only really significant piece that we lost from last season was a reliable #2 CB in Sean Smith. No, he wasn't an All-Pro calibre CB but he was above average and did a bunch of things really well with his size and strength.

It remains to be seen if Gaines or someone else could be close to as effective as Smith was at RCB. I do have more faith in Gaines' ball skills, quickness, and overall speed than I did in Sean Smith's.

I don't trust the rookies not to **** up.

I wouldn't say that Smith is the only significant piece lost from last year. For starters, Houston is missing for an indefinite amount of time. That's pretty significant. The retirement of Abdullah and free agent loss of Branch, while not as big of a loss as Smith and Houston, is still significant. Their replacements are Sorenson and the rookie Murray or Flemming. Any way you slice it, there is a significant drop off there. Hopefu;;y the young guys step up and close those gaps soon. But let's not pretend that they are currently the same caliber players.

OldSchool · 08-26-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I wouldn't say that Smith is the only significant piece lost from last year. For starters, Houston is missing for an indefinite amount of time. That's pretty significant. The retirement of Abdullah and free agent loss of Branch, while not as big of a loss as Smith and Houston, is still significant. Their replacements are Sorenson and the rookie Murray or Flemming. Any way you slice it, there is a significant drop off there. Hopefu;;y the young guys step up and close those gaps soon. But let's not pretend that they are currently the same caliber players.

It's true we lost significant depth and a lot of experience in the secondary with Abdullah and Branch departing.

Abdullah was a good instinctive football player but he had some athletic limitations.

Branch was just the opposite. Great overall speed and athleticism, not so great in the instincts department. Despite his speed, he always seemed to be a step behind in coverage.

For the rookie DBs, I honestly haven't been paying as much attention to them as I should, been focusing more on the front 7 on defense, but obviously you notice when they **** up.

How has Russell been doing? Why hasn't he seen much time in the Pre-Season games? He literally only got 4 snaps against the Rams.

Why have both White and Murray had more time on the field than Russell has?

**jjchieffan** · 08-26-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

It's true we lost significant depth and a lot of experience in the secondary with Abdullah and Branch departing.

Abdullah was a good instinctive football player but he had some athletic limitations.

Branch was just the opposite. Great overall speed and athleticism, not so great in the instincts department. Despite his speed, he always seemed to be a step behind in coverage.

For the rookie DBs, I honestly haven't been paying as much attention to them as I should, been focusing more on the front 7 on defense, but obviously you notice when they **** up.

How has Russell been doing? Why hasn't he seen much time in the Pre-Season games? He literally only got 4 snaps against the Rams.

Why have both White and Murray had more time on the field than Russell has?

I've wondered about Russell myself. I expected to see him get significant playing time this preseason. 4 snaps last game is crazy. As far as I know, he hasn't been hurt. Camp reports didn't mention anything about him struggling. Maybe he will play more tomorrow.

OldSchool · 08-26-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I've wondered about Russell myself. I expected to see him get significant playing time this preseason. 4 snaps last game is crazy. As far as I know, he hasn't been hurt. Camp reports didn't mention anything about him struggling. Maybe he will play more tomorrow.

Yeah, I doubt it has anything to do with injury, otherwise they wouldn't have played him for 32 snaps the week before.

Maybe it's just a planned rotation thing and they'll work him in a lot more this week? Maybe they were just giving White a chance to show his stuff against the Rams and will give Russell his shot this week.

I hope that Gaines is healthy enough to go tomorrow. I want to see what he looks like after he tore his ACL.

Halfcan · 08-26-2016, 01:50 PM

A poll about the defense after two meaningless preseason games in which key starters were out?

How are you supposed to judge this? Do you go back and compare to the first 2 preseason games of last year?

View Poll Results: where is our defense going in 2016
getting better	2	3.39%
getting worse	31	52.54%
staying the same	22	37.29%
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08-26-2016, 12:19 PM	Topic Starter
Chief_For_Life58 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: KC Casino cash: $9925938	Chiefs 2016 Defense I post this in another thread but I want to see what everyone thinks about our defense this year. I really dont think our defense is gonna be anywhere near as good as everyone thinks. Our olb is shit, really, think about it. Justin houston hurt, tamba is 65 years old, dee ford is a bust. Corners: we have one proven good one. 1. poe hasnt been anywhere near as explosive as he once was once that back injury. linebackers: DJ is 80 years old, 120 tackles a year for the past 15 years? right. Mauga? lol. berry is meh I think our offense is gonna have to win the games for us now. I'm just curious to see what everyone thinks on here. If theres already been a thread about this then go die in an aids ebola fire while harambe rapes you. Have a great day. Go Chiefs
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08-26-2016, 12:36 PM	#3
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08-26-2016, 12:44 PM	#6
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $8028275	Really truly no way to know. Sutton's scheme depends on each player working as a unit. When it works, it works. When it falls apart, it does so with alacrity. Until we know what several key question stars are capable of, we're in limbo between beasting again and folding like a tent. Not so worried about Berry, but Hali, Houston, Mauga and Gaines need to weigh in authoritatively before we can say anything educated. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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08-26-2016, 12:46 PM	#8
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2135863647	It's really had to say at this point because you have a lot of key players that haven't been on the field. Combine that with the vanilla defense that is typical of preseason and it's impossible to say for sure at this point. I think it will be about the same as last year. __________________ Adventure is dangerous....but monotony can kill you.
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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	The only really significant piece that we lost from last season was a reliable #2 CB in Sean Smith. No, he wasn't an All-Pro calibre CB but he was above average and did a bunch of things really well with his size and strength. It remains to be seen if Gaines or someone else could be close to as effective as Smith was at RCB. I do have more faith in Gaines' ball skills, quickness, and overall speed than I did in Sean Smith's. I don't trust the rookies not to **** up.
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08-26-2016, 01:50 PM	#15
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	A poll about the defense after two meaningless preseason games in which key starters were out? How are you supposed to judge this? Do you go back and compare to the first 2 preseason games of last year?
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