Chiefs Hypothetical Part 1: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.

**Rain Man** · 11-22-2018, 07:47 PM

Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear.

But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms.

I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more.

If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer.

If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018.

If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total.

If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their players were included in a package.

By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II.

Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise.

Here are your first ten scenarios.

Maine · 11-22-2018, 07:48 PM

thank you

Jewish Rabbi · 11-22-2018, 07:52 PM

Where is the “All of the above” option, Rain Man?

**Rain Man** · 11-22-2018, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Where is the “All of the above” option, Rain Man?

I've devised a system where you can check each box individually to signify your opinions.

Jewish Rabbi · 11-22-2018, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I've devised a system where you can check each box individually to signify your opinions.

I meant we would need all of those players included in a trade for Mahomes.

**Rain Man** · 11-22-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

I meant we would need all of those players included in a trade for Mahomes.

Ah. Okay. In some of the threads to follow, a few of these team will be upping the ante if that helps. But overall, I agree with you.

Maine · 11-22-2018, 07:53 PM

We already have multiple skill position play makers.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-22-2018, 07:54 PM

Rams one is the only one that I’d even consider because of Donald. Think Goff would be fine with Andy.

**Rain Man** · 11-22-2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Rams one is the only one that I’d even consider because of Donald. Think Goff would be fine with Andy.

Yeah, I'm on the fence on that one. I'd hate the big downgrade at QB, but the other two players are pretty good.

Best22 · 11-22-2018, 07:57 PM

There are better players in the NFL than Mahomes.

But none of them are worth enough to make that trade

Mahomes is untradeable

Kidd Lex · 11-22-2018, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, I'm on the fence on that one. I'd hate the big downgrade at QB, but the other two players are pretty good.

This. In the end I voted none, but considered the Rams.

Best22 · 11-22-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Rams one is the only one that I’d even consider because of Donald. Think Goff would be fine with Andy.

He’s good but he’s not Mahomes.

Mahomes isn’t just a “good/great quarterback.”

He’s Mahomes. Just Priceless

kccrow · 11-22-2018, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Rams one is the only one that I’d even consider because of Donald. Think Goff would be fine with Andy.

This.

Jerok · 11-22-2018, 07:55 PM

Rams is obviously a yes. Young top 10 QB in Goff, top 3 RB in Gurley, top 3 defensive player in Aaron Donald.

Others are meh, i wouldn't trade Mahomes for 3 defensive players in general. I guess the #2 and #3 are Eagles and Falcons.

I wouldn't do it for Brady or Brees or the like because 15 years of Mahomes is more valuable than a few years of them.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-22-2018, 07:57 PM

Mahomes will probably be top 5 on the top 100 list in his first season. Pretty damn incredible.

View Poll Results: These packages reflect good trade value for P. Mahomes II. (Check all that apply.)
Bengals - AJ Green + Geno Atkins + Billy Price	1	1.08%
Bills - Lesean McCoy + Micah Hyde + Josh Allen	1	1.08%
Rams - Todd Gurley + Aaron Donald + Jared Goff	44	47.31%
Eagles - Carson Wentz + Zach Ertz + Fletcher Cox	7	7.53%
Ravens - CJ Mosley + Hayden Hurst + Lamar Jackson	0	0%
Lions - Matt Stafford + Darius Slay + Frank Ragnow	0	0%
Patriots - Tom Brady + Rob Gronkowski + Isaiah Wynn	1	1.08%
Jaguars - Calais Campbell + Jalen Ramsey + AJ Bouye	1	1.08%
Saints - Drew Brees + Alvin Kamara + Cameron Jordan	2	2.15%
Falcons - Julio Jones + Matt Ryan + Devonta Freeman	2	2.15%
None of these represent equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.	47	50.54%
I don't know who Patrick Mahomes II is. I've been trapped in a cave for two years.	0	0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

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Jerok Veteran Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $3544092	Rams is obviously a yes. Young top 10 QB in Goff, top 3 RB in Gurley, top 3 defensive player in Aaron Donald. Others are meh, i wouldn't trade Mahomes for 3 defensive players in general. I guess the #2 and #3 are Eagles and Falcons. I wouldn't do it for Brady or Brees or the like because 15 years of Mahomes is more valuable than a few years of them.
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