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Old 02-18-2019, 10:59 AM   Topic Starter
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PROVIDENCE, R.I. —

The ecstatic sailor shown kissing a woman in Times Square celebrating the end of World War II has died. George Mendonsa was 95.

Mendonsa's daughter, Sharon Molleur, told The Providence Journal Mendonsa fell and had a seizure on Sunday at the assisted living facility in Middletown, Rhode Island, where he lived with his wife of 70 years.

Mendonsa was shown kissing Greta Zimmer Friedman, a dental assistant in a nurse's uniform, on Aug. 14, 1945. Known as V-J Day, it was the day Japan surrendered to the United States.

The photo by Alfred Eisenstaedt became one of the most famous photographs of the 20th century.

It was years before Mendonsa and Friedman were confirmed to be the couple.

Friedman died in 2016 at the age of 92.

Mendonsa died two days before his 96th birthday.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:07 AM   #2
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The photographer made him and her FAMOUS. It was a gay old time back then. Come to think of it, it still is!
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:13 AM   #3
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Wow, that guy lived a long time. I'm sure the answer to this question is known, but I wonder if he ever saw that girl again?
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:12 AM   #4
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Today George would have faced a court martial over the sexual assault of a fellow enlisted person. At minimum he would have lost stripes and at worst separated from the military dishonorably.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:56 AM   #5
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Today George would have faced a court martial over the sexual assault of a fellow enlisted person. At minimum he would have lost stripes and at worst separated from the military dishonorably.

He’d been in jail that night for sexual assault.
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:56 PM   #6
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He’d been in jail that night for sexual assault.
It's not really his fault. It was only VE day, and he thought it was VJ day.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:27 AM   #7
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He’d been in jail that night for sexual assault.
There's a huge difference between acceptable behavior in the workplace and an in-the-moment celebration of the end of a horrible war.

I wouldn't want some random guy coming up to me at a bar and giving me a big bear hug. I'm not a fan of people invading my personal space.

If the Chiefs had just won a super bowl and some stranger did that in the moment I'm sure I'd hug them back...
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:38 PM   #8
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There's a huge difference between acceptable behavior in the workplace and an in-the-moment celebration of the end of a horrible war.

I wouldn't want some random guy coming up to me at a bar and giving me a big bear hug. I'm not a fan of people invading my personal space.

If the Chiefs had just won a super bowl and some stranger did that in the moment I'm sure I'd hug them back...
This is perhaps the best explanation of it. He wasn't intending to attack her, and it was just a spontaneous expression of joy. I don't think of the guy as a villain or criminal at all, just as a guy who made a social faux pas.

The problem, though, is that it was still an assault if she wasn't a willing participant. The artistic image itself is so perfect as an expression of joy at war's end that her situation got glossed over for decades. It's really unfortunate from her perspective and from history's perspective that it went down like it did.

And I hate saying it's an assault because that makes it sound like much more than it is. It's not fair to people who experience much more. So that part's overwrought. But I kind of think, what if I was standing around at some historic event and some skanky hag of a woman grabbed me and kissed me, and then the picture became famous all over the world as the two of us celebrating? I wouldn't be very happy about that. This is kind of the 1940s equivalent of becoming an unflattering meme.

There's also some interesting moral story here that I can't quite enunciate. We're celebrating the defeat of someone who wanted to rule and control us by grabbing a woman and kissing her against her will. It's a portent of the upcoming civil rights and women's rights battles as the next "war".
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:30 PM   #9
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Today George would have faced a court martial over the sexual assault of a fellow enlisted person. At minimum he would have lost stripes and at worst separated from the military dishonorably.
She wasn't in any branch of the service. Nurses, dental assistants, and other medical personnel wore white uniforms well into the 1980s. As for the allegations of sexual assault, she may have been kissing him first. I've been told there was a lot of partying going on after almost 4 years of war for the US. Just sayin'.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:00 PM   #10
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She wasn't in any branch of the service. Nurses, dental assistants, and other medical personnel wore white uniforms well into the 1980s.
good call... looked her up and she was indeed not a nurse for one of the branches of service.

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The same wikipedia article I looked up about her uniform also had this to say on the matter...

"While V-J Day in Times Square went on to become an iconic photo that was generally viewed as a celebratory and romantic photograph, Friedman had mixed feelings about it.[6] "It wasn’t my choice to be kissed," Friedman stated in a 2005 interview with the Library of Congress.[7] "The guy just came over and grabbed!" she said, adding, "That man was very strong. I wasn’t kissing him. He was kissing me."[8] "I did not see him approaching, and before I know it I was in this tight grip," Friedman told CBS News in 2012.[9]"
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good call... looked her up and she was indeed not a nurse for one of the branches of service.



The same wikipedia article I looked up about her uniform also had this to say on the matter...

"While V-J Day in Times Square went on to become an iconic photo that was generally viewed as a celebratory and romantic photograph, Friedman had mixed feelings about it.[6] "It wasn’t my choice to be kissed," Friedman stated in a 2005 interview with the Library of Congress.[7] "The guy just came over and grabbed!" she said, adding, "That man was very strong. I wasn’t kissing him. He was kissing me."[8] "I did not see him approaching, and before I know it I was in this tight grip," Friedman told CBS News in 2012.[9]"


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Old 02-18-2019, 11:27 AM   #12
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How long before the militant left demands that statue be taken down?
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How long before the militant left demands that statue be taken down?
Without naming names (trying to keep this in Lounge).......it has already been an issue for a few years now here in san diego.
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Without naming names (trying to keep this in Lounge).......it has already been an issue for a few years now here in san diego.
Kudos to S.D. They raised $1M in 3 months to make it happen. Other than 2 members of the Public Art Committee, seems like San Diego folks like it better than a whale's vajayjay.
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