Chiefs Defense is better without Jones?

JakeF · 10-19-2019, 02:06 PM

Denver's offensive line is weak so all of this is wait and see but we definitely seem to have a more structured Defense without Jones. Jones' talent is undeniable but his play has a serious flaw. He abandons the run to attack the QB.

With Jones gone, we have 2 bigger guys in the middle who play the run 1st. They also protect our linebackers who are freed up to read and attack. With the center of our defense now anchored, the outside guys (clark,ogbah, okafor) can be more aggressive. It also keeps the middle of the field clear for our safeties.

That's what seemed to change for our defense against Denver.

Hitchens played his best game and Ragland showed up like he never has before. Frank Clark was better and Matheiu was more aggressive.

Having DT's that protect your LBs is so important. I would rather have Clark,Okafor and Ogbah getting sacks than Jones.

I think Hitchens and Ragland can even start getting some sacks without guards in their face on every play.

poolboy · 10-19-2019, 02:07 PM

yes, who would have thunk it?

rabblerouser · 10-19-2019, 02:08 PM

Put Jones at end. Clark at LB.

Profit.

ChiefaRoo · 10-28-2019, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Put Jones at end. Clark at LB.

Profit.

Jones should play End.

Hammock Parties · 10-28-2019, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Put Jones at end. Clark at LB.

Profit.

You are criminally stupid. Clark is not a LB. Jones is not a DE, unless it's in an "elephant" package.

rabblerouser · 10-28-2019, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You are criminally stupid. Clark is not a LB. Jones is not a DE, unless it's in an "elephant" package.

He's a liability against the run at DT.

you wouldn't know stupid if it punted the ball to Aaron Rodgers with 5 min left in the game.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 10-19-2019, 02:09 PM

Also not having Darron Lee on the field helped but definitely Saunders and Nnadi we’re splitting double teams all day long. Sticking to their assignments and letting other players like the linebackers make the plays!! Exactly what Mathieu said we needed to do. Jones literally shoots the wrong hole and allows running lanes that a semi can drive through

UChieffyBugger · 10-19-2019, 02:17 PM

I'm glad someone started this thread as I was gonna ask this very question

. Although tbh I think putting Jones at DE opposite Clark could be the way forward and then just rotate Okafor and Ogbah in to keep the D-line fresh and dangerous. Saunders was known for his pass rushing skills in college so it might not be long before we see him getting to the QB as well.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 10-19-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

I'm glad someone started this thread as I was gonna ask this very question

. Although tbh I think putting Jones at DE opposite Clark could be the way forward and then just rotate Okafor and Ogbah in to put the D-line fresh and dangerous. Saunders was known for his pass rushing skills in college so it might not be long before we see him getting to the QB as well.

He was rock solid against the run last week. That stuffed failed 2 point conversion happened because of him splitting the double team and Ragland filling his gap

-King- · 10-19-2019, 02:20 PM

Already? This really is overreaction planet

Wallcrawler · 10-19-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Already? This really is overreaction planet

Jones has always been a pass rush first player. Theres no already about it.

With him out of the middle, and the tackles just doing their job, the run defense was massively improved.

Pass rush is fantastic, but not if it creates a situation in the run game where the offense literally never has to throw.

Put him at end, or get him on board with the scheme in the middle.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-19-2019, 02:39 PM

Our Defense didn't all of the sudden get good because Jones is out. Spags put a different plan together because his coaching ass is on the line. Our linebackers never attacked like this before. I just hope this wasn't a fluke!

chiefzilla1501 · 10-19-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Our Defense didn't all of the sudden get good because Jones is out. Spags put a different plan together because his coaching ass is on the line. Our linebackers never attacked like this before. I just hope this wasn't a fluke!

I always hate the theory that a coach saves his best stuff for the end of the season. But I still really wonder if that was the case here. Our D was uncharacteristically vanilla to start the season.

ChiefsFanatic · 10-20-2019, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Our Defense didn't all of the sudden get good because Jones is out. Spags put a different plan together because his coaching ass is on the line. Our linebackers never attacked like this before. I just hope this wasn't a fluke!

I said in another thread that watching all of the all-22 film from our other games, there was a huge change in regards to calling stunts, games, and blitzes. We have rarely blitzed this year, and coming into the game I think we were in the bottom 5 in percentage of blitzes ran.

Hitchens said that the same plays were called and the players just changed their mentality, but he had to be protecting Spags, because the play calls were much more aggressive. Maybe that's just because the plan was to collect 20 holding calls on Bowles, or they identified some specific weakness in Denver's offensive line.

But whatever the case, I think we ran more stunts and games in this game than we had all season combined. Rodgers is much more mobile, and much, much, much more talented than Flacco, so we'll see if we stay aggressive, or go back to calling defensive plays like weeks 1-6.

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Chris Meck · 10-19-2019, 02:40 PM

I like Jones, but I've been as critical as anyone about his freelancing.

He's talented, but if he's not going to play scheme-sound football, then yeah, he'll be a liability, especially on run downs.

Let's hope that watching the game Thursday got him a Jones-sized woody for team play.

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JakeF MVP Join Date: May 2017 Casino cash: $9990400	Defense is better without Jones? Denver's offensive line is weak so all of this is wait and see but we definitely seem to have a more structured Defense without Jones. Jones' talent is undeniable but his play has a serious flaw. He abandons the run to attack the QB. With Jones gone, we have 2 bigger guys in the middle who play the run 1st. They also protect our linebackers who are freed up to read and attack. With the center of our defense now anchored, the outside guys (clark,ogbah, okafor) can be more aggressive. It also keeps the middle of the field clear for our safeties. That's what seemed to change for our defense against Denver. Hitchens played his best game and Ragland showed up like he never has before. Frank Clark was better and Matheiu was more aggressive. Having DT's that protect your LBs is so important. I would rather have Clark,Okafor and Ogbah getting sacks than Jones. I think Hitchens and Ragland can even start getting some sacks without guards in their face on every play.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1544910	I like Jones, but I've been as critical as anyone about his freelancing. He's talented, but if he's not going to play scheme-sound football, then yeah, he'll be a liability, especially on run downs. Let's hope that watching the game Thursday got him a Jones-sized woody for team play.
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