Poop Have we reached critical mass with Reiter and/or Wylie?

DJ's left nut · 12-02-2019, 10:07 AM

Because those guys were getting mauled. There were a half dozen plays yesterday that simply died at the snap because Reiter and Wylie were immediately pushed into the backfield.

It isn't just about losing a snap, it's about how they're losing theirs (and how quickly). The best you can hope from either of them, especially in the run game, is a draw.

Wisniewski has looked good out there. At the very least, he seems stout at the point of attack. Don't we have to give the guy a look there? As the weather turns and the playoffs arrive, we're gonna HAVE to be able to convert some of these short yardage situations without these long-developing crossers from Hill or the inside screens that teams are largely prepared for now.

I just can't handle watching those two guys get abused anymore. I can handle LDT's mediocre play because at least he's not getting beat immediately and badly. He's not blowing guys off the ball, but he's generally holding his own. But Reiter and Wylie are playing poorly enough that they're smothering some of these plays in the cradle. It's just completely unacceptable.

**jjchieffan** · 12-02-2019, 10:11 AM

I really believe that Wiley wouldn't have gotten his starting job back if Rankin hadn't gone on IR. But since that happened, we're kinda stuck there. Wisneski has been practicing at center and was studying the all 22 on the sideline last night. It appears that they are about to make that move..

Toad · 12-02-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I really believe that Wiley wouldn't have gotten his starting job back if Rankin hadn't gone on IR. But since that happened, we're kinda stuck there. Wisneski has been practicing at center and was studying the all 22 on the sideline last night. It appears that they are about to make that move..

Yep. Romo first joked around saying that he was looking at the internet on the sideline tablet. Then said that studying is what you want your backups to be doing.

I agree that Andy told him to be prepared to jump in. Not sure where, but I think that studying would mean calling line plays at center.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-02-2019, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I really believe that Wiley wouldn't have gotten his starting job back if Rankin hadn't gone on IR. But since that happened, we're kinda stuck there. Wisneski has been practicing at center and was studying the all 22 on the sideline last night. It appears that they are about to make that move..

Agreed. Rankin was an improvement. At this point, I don't know how much more dumpster diving we can do.

nychief · 12-02-2019, 10:11 AM

while I agree... good to keep in mind that the Raiders Dline is very good.

DJ's left nut · 12-02-2019, 10:16 AM

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while I agree... good to keep in mind that the Raiders Dline is very good.

Which is why I'm not asking for pancakes here. I understand that the Raiders D-line is solid ('very good' is a bridge too far, though).

I'm not looking for Reiter to go out there and drive guys 8 yards backwards. I'm simply looking for a guy who doesn't lunge at the snap, get put on skates and driven backwards into the ballcarrier as he's taking the hand off.

It's the ol' Rex Grossman thing. And Eli Manning actually said it best, IIRC: "When I'm bad, I can't be THAT bad". The killer with mediocre options isn't that they don't have truly stellar plays - it's that they DESTROY plays on their own at times.

You give me a 'meh' player who simply plays 'meh' every snap and I'll live with that. But you take a guy like Reiter who's never going to have standout snaps and who also mixes in a fair number of snaps where he's less effective than a blocking sled - well that just can't stand.

You can have snaps where you aren't great - but don't have that many snaps where you're the cause of a complete collapse. Especially if you can't somewhat offset it by blowing open holes on occasion. If we can't trust you to clearly win a bunch of snaps, we can't have you clearly losing them either.

KC Hawks · 12-02-2019, 10:12 AM

I have no idea why they keep playing Wylie. He isn't good at anything.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 12-02-2019, 10:14 AM

Wis should’ve already been playing. Now I’m worried he never will.

I’d plug him in at LG where he doesn’t have to worry about snapping the ball and can do more to help in pass protection.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-02-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Wis should’ve already been playing. Now I’m worried he never will.

I’d plug him in at LG where he doesn’t have to worry about snapping the ball and can do more to help in pass protection.

My thought too. Not good at snapping the ball. Maybe something that's been fixed with experience and reps. I hope.

TEX · 12-02-2019, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Wis should’ve already been playing. Now I’m worried he never will.

I’d plug him in at LG where he doesn’t have to worry about snapping the ball and can do more to help in pass protection.

Agreed.

O.city · 12-02-2019, 10:14 AM

Andy won't change it unless theres an injury.

DJ's left nut · 12-02-2019, 11:22 AM

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Andy won't change it unless theres an injury.

I think you're right.

The Mike McGlynn experience has shown that Andy prefers god-awful to untested. He simply refuses to tinker with an OL short of injury.

And that's damn unfortunate.

O.city · 12-02-2019, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think you're right.

The Mike McGlynn experience has shown that Andy prefers god-awful to untested. He simply refuses to tinker with an OL short of injury.

And that's damn unfortunate.

We need a mauler in the middle somewhere. I really would have liked to have kept Hudson or Morse, but financially, you just gotta do what you gotta do I guess.

They need to really put some early round resources into it.

DJ's left nut · 12-02-2019, 11:59 AM

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We need a mauler in the middle somewhere. I really would have liked to have kept Hudson or Morse, but financially, you just gotta do what you gotta do I guess.

They need to really put some early round resources into it.

At times Wylie looked like that guy last year. He had a nasty streak that made me think he could develop into a credible run blocker who may show some struggles in pass pro.

And that just hasn't happened. He hasn't looked to be able to get his top/bottom halves to work together well all year. He looks like a baby deer out there way too often. He's getting beat because he's simply out of sorts - off balance or too high or whatever. And he's getting thrown out of the way.

His technique looks to have just fallen to shit on him.

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