The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.

Direckshun · 01-21-2021, 01:23 PM

What we know about this team is that it typically likes to fill its roster out as much as possible in free agency and then spend its highest picks on potential replacements for job openings a year down the road, and that includes Veach.

I doubt I even need to run down the list but:

2020: CEH --> Williams
2019: Hardman --> Hill/Watkins
2018: Speaks --> Ford/Houston
2017: Mahomes --> Smith

Fisher will be on the last year of his contract, and most of us suspect Schwartz retiring.

The Chiefs obviously like Niang but going OT 1st gives them the options:

Niang vs. the rookie for starting RT
if the rookie wins, Niang can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position
if Niang wins, the rookie can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position
the Chiefs love Fisher but if both Niang and the rookie excel, maybe they cut bait
if only one of them excel, the Chiefs can extend Fisher

It just seems like the kind of move that gives them the flexibility in future decisions that they like to have.

I'd rather they go DE, even if it means trading up for one. But based on what we know, OT could ostensibly solve up to two different OL spots in 2021 and gives them all kinds of options in 2022 based on how 2021 goes.

staylor26 · 01-21-2021, 01:49 PM

I’m not totally against it, but I’d prefer EDGE or WR.

Niang, if he’s healthy, should be Schwartz’s replacement, and Fisher will likely get an extension.

Re-sign Remmers and let him and Niang compete for RT.

Megatron96 · 01-21-2021, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not totally against it, but I’d prefer EDGE or WR.

Niang, if he’s healthy, should be Schwartz’s replacement, and Fisher will likely get an extension.

Re-sign Remmers and let him and Niang compete for RT.

Admittedly, I don't really pay a lot of attention to mock drafts anymore, not for a long time. But I happened to read a mock draft preview recently that predicted the Chiefs would probably either take an EDGE or a WR in the 1st, and maybe a OL in the 2nd/3rd.

Now, it was just one article, and I don't even remember who wrote it, so probably that guy knew as much about who KC might draft as I do.

But based on Andy's recent history, I'd be shocked if he took a OL in the 1st.

duncan_idaho · 01-21-2021, 01:51 PM

All about who is available to me.

If they pass on Jaelan Phillips, Toney, or Marshall to take Teven Jenkins or Alijah Vera-Tucker, I won’t be pissed, but I’d be disappointed.

OKchiefs · 01-21-2021, 02:10 PM

As I don't think you want to go into a year with a rookie left tackle being forced to protect Mahomes, I agree it's ideal to draft a tackle a year early if/when a LT is needed. That being said, I think an extension this off-season for Fisher should be a priority IF they do in fact intend to keep him long term. The issue is the compensation. Fisher simply is not worth the $20 million or so a year top left tackles are getting. If they can get him for maybe 4 years, $60 million or so I think that would be wise to go ahead and extend him to avoid the uncertainty with him entering free agency after 2021. However, if that doesn't happen then I think you're forced to take a tackle in the first 2 rounds to prepare for the possibility of someone else manning the position starting in 2022.

htismaqe · 01-21-2021, 03:21 PM

Fisher isn't going anywhere. They're not going to take an OT in the 1st.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-21-2021, 04:52 PM

The Chiefs aren't taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round.

This isn't 1960 or 1970 or 1980 or 1990 or 2000 or even 2010.

This is a different Chiefs team that's built on skill players and a QB, not on the offensive line, which can be fleeting at best.

How well did the Cowboys do after loading up their offensive line with 1st round picks while starting a 4th round QB?

Or how about those Browns?

Deberg_1990 · 01-21-2021, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs aren't taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round.

This isn't 1960 or 1970 or 1980 or 1990 or 2000 or even 2010.

This is a different Chiefs team that's built on skill players and a QB, not on the offensive line, which can be fleeting at best.

How well did the Cowboys do after loading up their offensive line with 1st round picks while starting a 4th round QB?

Or how about those Browns?

I dont have a problem with it if that lineman is the BPA at that draft position.

Eric Fisher wasnt an exciting pick, but he was the right pick.

Direckshun · 01-21-2021, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs aren't taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round.

This isn't 1960 or 1970 or 1980 or 1990 or 2000 or even 2010.

This is a different Chiefs team that's built on skill players and a QB, not on the offensive line, which can be fleeting at best.

How well did the Cowboys do after loading up their offensive line with 1st round picks while starting a 4th round QB?

Or how about those Browns?

Eric Fisher.

I know that was under Dorsey, but it’s still the Andy Reid era.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-21-2021, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Eric Fisher.

I know that was under Dorsey, but it’s still the Andy Reid era.

The Chiefs are not taking a guard or center in the 1st round.

Good grief.

Direckshun · 01-22-2021, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs are not taking a guard or center in the 1st round.

Good grief.

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The logic of drafting OT in the 1st.

Go Chiefs

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Go Chiefs

There's not a chance in the world that the Chiefs take a tackle at #32 when their WR corp for 2021 consists of Hill and Pringle.

Chris Meck · 01-22-2021, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs are not taking a guard or center in the 1st round.

Good grief.

I said that last year about running back.

I think you're probably right, but we're in a different era now. It's a different thing when you're a championship football team trying to stay on top as opposed to trying to get there.

htismaqe · 01-22-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I said that last year about running back.

I think you're probably right, but we're in a different era now. It's a different thing when you're a championship football team trying to stay on top as opposed to trying to get there.

Yeah, we're in a different era. An era ruled by offensive skill players and defensive specialists.

It would be a terrible waste of resources for them to spend a 1st round pick on an interior offensive lineman. Championship teams aren't built that way.

01-21-2021, 01:23 PM	Topic Starter
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	The logic of drafting OT in the 1st. What we know about this team is that it typically likes to fill its roster out as much as possible in free agency and then spend its highest picks on potential replacements for job openings a year down the road, and that includes Veach. I doubt I even need to run down the list but: 2020: CEH --> Williams 2019: Hardman --> Hill/Watkins 2018: Speaks --> Ford/Houston 2017: Mahomes --> Smith Fisher will be on the last year of his contract, and most of us suspect Schwartz retiring. The Chiefs obviously like Niang but going OT 1st gives them the options: Niang vs. the rookie for starting RT if the rookie wins, Niang can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position if Niang wins, the rookie can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position the Chiefs love Fisher but if both Niang and the rookie excel, maybe they cut bait if only one of them excel, the Chiefs can extend Fisher It just seems like the kind of move that gives them the flexibility in future decisions that they like to have. I'd rather they go DE, even if it means trading up for one. But based on what we know, OT could ostensibly solve up to two different OL spots in 2021 and gives them all kinds of options in 2022 based on how 2021 goes.
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	The Chiefs aren't taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round. This isn't 1960 or 1970 or 1980 or 1990 or 2000 or even 2010. This is a different Chiefs team that's built on skill players and a QB, not on the offensive line, which can be fleeting at best. How well did the Cowboys do after loading up their offensive line with 1st round picks while starting a 4th round QB? Or how about those Browns?
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