Kiper: Trading for Jameson with Pitt

**BigRedChief** · 03-28-2022, 05:17 PM

Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson.

What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?

DJ's left nut · 03-28-2022, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Hey draftniks, just watched a you tube of the show get up on ESPN. Mel Kiper was on saying he thought the Chiefs could give the 1st and 2nd round Miami picks to Pitt at 20 and jump up before the Pats and GB and pick Jameson.

What’s the opinion in here on Jameson? Going higher than 20, say 15 or so?

I neither love nor hate that idea.

There are so many fascinating ways this franchise could re-shape itself going forward that I don't think I would go the 'well lets see if we can find a lesser version of the guy we traded away with the return we got for him' plan.

But...we did okay with that first plan. So. I dunno.

For me, I'm keeping every damn pick we have and using every single one of them to continue building the depth of this roster and stack quality young talent across the board.

But again - they didn't ask me.

Chris Meck · 03-28-2022, 06:10 PM

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I neither love nor hate that idea.

There are so many fascinating ways this franchise could re-shape itself going forward that I don't think I would go the 'well lets see if we can find a lesser version of the guy we traded away with the return we got for him' plan.

But...we did okay with that first plan. So. I dunno.

For me, I'm keeping every damn pick we have and using every single one of them to continue building the depth of this roster and stack quality young talent across the board.

But again - they didn't ask me.

I'm 100% in agreement.

I think the signings we've made in FA indicate a change. These are bigger guys.

I'm not saying we might not take a flyer on Austin in the 4th and see if he can become Tyreek 2 Electric Boogaloo- but I don't think that's the primary concern.

Just get good football players. Andy has run offenses with different personnel, and always done well.

I'd prefer to sit back rather than aggressively trade up. We need bodies, this is a really deep draft, and we WILL have some really nice talent there for us all the way through round 4 if any of the mocks are remotely close.

**The Franchise** · 03-28-2022, 05:27 PM

Wouldn't like it. You're basically forgoing the best value you got from trading Hill....to draft a WR who may or may not replace Hill.

You traded Tyreek Hill for Jameson Williams, two 4th round picks and a 6th? Color me ****ing unimpressed.

**BigRedChief** · 03-28-2022, 05:41 PM

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Wouldn't like it. You're basically forgoing the best value you got from trading Hill....to draft a WR who may or may not replace Hill.

You traded Tyreek Hill for Jameson Williams, two 4th round picks and a 6th? Color me ****ing unimpressed.

not saying i like the trade or even Jameson. As is obvious, I’m no draftnik. But, I don’t see it as a tit for tat. We trade for Hill lite via the draft picks received.

there is also the cap space gained. $100 million can get you some good players or keep your good players from leaving.

My own opinion is to keep those 6 picks and focus on rebuilding the defense.

DJ's left nut · 03-28-2022, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Wouldn't like it. You're basically forgoing the best value you got from trading Hill....to draft a WR who may or may not replace Hill.

You traded Tyreek Hill for Jameson Williams, two 4th round picks and a 6th? Color me ****ing unimpressed.

And $20 million in cap space.

staylor26 · 03-28-2022, 05:56 PM

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And $20 million in cap space.

Exactly.

Let’s say that Jameson Williams has a Waddle like season, or at least 2nd half of the season.

Would anybody be regretting the trade?

I don’t think I would.

But Waddle was a huge hit, so this would have to be as well.

VAChief · 03-29-2022, 09:46 AM

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Wouldn't like it. You're basically forgoing the best value you got from trading Hill....to draft a WR who may or may not replace Hill.

You traded Tyreek Hill for Jameson Williams, two 4th round picks and a 6th? Color me ****ing unimpressed.

I would rather use our later picks to move up in the mid rounds on someone we like...there is just too much talent available in this draft to give away any of our top 3 round picks.

I would hate going back to two picks in the first round, especially on wide receiver where we have lots of options in rounds 2-4.

**chiefforlife** · 03-29-2022, 10:34 AM

I really dont want to trade up, I love having all these picks and believe staying put will add huge value to our team for years to come.

However, if theres a guy that I feel would make the biggest impact and come as close as possible to replacing Tyreek, its Jameson Williams!

We have the WRs to wait for him to contribute later in the season. It took Tyreek a year or two to really become what he was. Waiting half a season or even a full season is really a best case scenario in terms of replacing Tyreek. It could take years or maybe never.

We will never have a chance to draft a guy like this as long as Mahomes and Andy are here. I know its a risk because of the injury but it is the only reason we have a shot at him.

I am coming around to the idea of trading up but only for this guy!

staylor26 · 03-28-2022, 05:34 PM

If that’s the direction you go, that’s fine, but you better be right.

It’s really that simple.

DJ's left nut · 03-28-2022, 05:57 PM

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If that’s the direction you go, that’s fine, but you better be right.

It’s really that simple.

Yup.

If he’s really the best WR I’m the draft then he’s a future star. And if that’s what he becomes you’re golden.

But man you’re really working without a net in that case.

It’s a better idea than trading up to 15 to get the 3rd or 4th best DL in the draft and with WR contracts doing what they’re doing it may be the only way to get another superstar wideout in here for a long time.

Like I said - I can see the merits of both approaches.

But Veach CANNOT get that wrong.

Chris Meck · 03-28-2022, 06:05 PM

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If that’s the direction you go, that’s fine, but you better be right.

It’s really that simple.

That's the thing. Right there.

I'm not a fan; but IF they do it, it's because Veach, and Reid, and EB, and Patrick are all 100% on it.

**BigRedChief** · 03-28-2022, 06:13 PM

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That's the thing. Right there.

I'm not a fan; but IF they do it, it's because Veach, and Reid, and EB, and Patrick are all 100% on it.

if they sign off, they view Jameson as a top receiver and if they are right and he is the man, that means 4.5 years of service, at best then he’s leaving for the $150 million contract. Such is life under the cap.

Toad · 03-28-2022, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

If that’s the direction you go, that’s fine, but you better be right.

It’s really that simple.

Perfect answer. Period.

htismaqe · 03-28-2022, 05:35 PM

Keep the picks. Nobody is 1-for-1 replacing Hill. We need numbers.

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chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	I really dont want to trade up, I love having all these picks and believe staying put will add huge value to our team for years to come. However, if theres a guy that I feel would make the biggest impact and come as close as possible to replacing Tyreek, its Jameson Williams! We have the WRs to wait for him to contribute later in the season. It took Tyreek a year or two to really become what he was. Waiting half a season or even a full season is really a best case scenario in terms of replacing Tyreek. It could take years or maybe never. We will never have a chance to draft a guy like this as long as Mahomes and Andy are here. I know its a risk because of the injury but it is the only reason we have a shot at him. I am coming around to the idea of trading up but only for this guy!
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