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Old 04-01-2022, 09:21 AM   Topic Starter
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WRs from a statistical analysis

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/articl...rofiles-part-1

Yes I know....another WR thread in the draft forum. This one is different though. Lately there has been a lot of talk about target percentages and comps to other WRs based on output and combine numbers.

I present to you.....Rotoworld's pre-draft rookie WR ranks. Let's start with an explanation.

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These rankings are fantasy football-focused and driven by statistical metrics that I'll explain throughout the profiles. These rankings also factor in expected NFL draft position. NFL draft position, and the scouting that drives it, plays a huge role in prospects' success and failure. The biggest post-draft swings in my rankings will come from draft-dependent prospects locking in high draft capital and strong analytical prospects slipping more than expected in the draft.

These profiles also include statistical comps. These comps are based on key metrics for wide receivers like career production, college breakout, and underclassman status. They also factor in height and weight, but the comps won't always be perfect stylistically. The primary purpose of the comps is to help illuminate a range of outcomes for each player and serve as a reminder that a player's prospect profile is a helpful tool in projecting them to the next level but an imperfect one.
They include a ton of information, so it's going to be a long read but I think the information they provide is valuable.

1) Treylon Burks, Arkansas
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2) Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
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3) Drake London, USC
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4) Jameson Williams, Alabama
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5) Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
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Old 04-01-2022, 09:22 AM   #2
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Here's 6-10.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/articl...rofiles-part-2

6) Chris Olave, Ohio State
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7) George Pickens, Georgia
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8) David Bell, Purdue
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9) Christian Watson, North Dakota State
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10) Jalen Tolbert, South Alabama
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Old 04-01-2022, 09:26 AM   #3
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I didn't know Burks was so young. He's pretty polished for such a young kid.

I like him a lot at 29 but have to wonder if he'll even be there. These WR evals are all over the place.
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Old 04-01-2022, 03:01 PM   #4
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I didn't know Burks was so young. He's pretty polished for such a young kid.

I like him a lot at 29 but have to wonder if he'll even be there. These WR evals are all over the place.
This draft is like that at many positions, too. More than most years, there aren’t consensus takes on any one prospect by analysts across the board.

I’m sure it’s that way with GMs and scouting departments, as well. I think we’re going to see 2-3 guys be taken in the first that nobody else has before the third round….I also think 2-3 guys are going to free fall that nobody expects to.

It’s going to be exciting to watch it play out.
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Old 04-01-2022, 09:28 AM   #5
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Of the guys with late 1st grades, Olave would be the guy I want.
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Of the guys with late 1st grades, Olave would be the guy I want.
You wouldn't trade the 2 firsts to move up for Jameson?


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Old 04-13-2022, 12:52 PM   #7
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Old 04-01-2022, 09:35 AM   #8
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It seems to me that mahomes rarely throws passes that could be contested. PM seemed very concerned about turnovers and wanted to avoid tipped balls as the season progressed. I like burks but does it concern you that 63% of his downfield catches were contested?
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It seems to me that mahomes rarely throws passes that could be contested. PM seemed very concerned about turnovers and wanted to avoid tipped balls as the season progressed. I like burks but does it concern you that 63% of his downfield catches were contested?
The one reason it doesn't concern me greatly is because I don't think Burks is really a downfield guy, especially not in this offense.
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The one reason it doesn't concern me greatly is because I don't think Burks is really a downfield guy, especially not in this offense.
Very interesting. I still don’t think burks there at 29. And I know you don’t want to trade up. What do we do if burks is gone & the rest of the top 5 wr group? Watson in the first or get value later at wr? Seems to me that some are content with no wr1 type next year but a better group overall?
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Very interesting. I still don’t think burks there at 29. And I know you don’t want to trade up. What do we do if burks is gone & the rest of the top 5 wr group? Watson in the first or get value later at wr? Seems to me that some are content with no wr1 type next year but a better group overall?
What does a "WR1 type" even mean? I think whatever it means, its an outdated thought process. You just want 3 guys who can get open, because if you only have 1-2, a defense can scheme around them with double teams etc.

Kelce, JJSS, MVS, Hardman is enough receiving talent that the offense can be productive, you don't need a significant amount of production from a rookie WR to be a good team in 2022. There are also tons of receivers who don't go in the first round who turn out to be productive (Deebo, Claypool, AJ Brown, Chark all went in the 2nd, McLaurin, Gallup went in the 3rd, Renfrow went in the 5th). If a top receiver doesn't fall in the Chiefs lap in the 1st, that must push down another position group of need (DL, secondary) and there will be an opportunity to add talent in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.
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Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.
Yep. There's quality depth at WR well into Day-3 and beyond if you know where to look.
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What does a "WR1 type" even mean? I think whatever it means, its an outdated thought process. You just want 3 guys who can get open, because if you only have 1-2, a defense can scheme around them with double teams etc.

Kelce, JJSS, MVS, Hardman is enough receiving talent that the offense can be productive, you don't need a significant amount of production from a rookie WR to be a good team in 2022. There are also tons of receivers who don't go in the first round who turn out to be productive (Deebo, Claypool, AJ Brown, Chark all went in the 2nd, McLaurin, Gallup went in the 3rd, Renfrow went in the 5th). If a top receiver doesn't fall in the Chiefs lap in the 1st, that must push down another position group of need (DL, secondary) and there will be an opportunity to add talent in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.
Beyond 2022 KC has Jack and Shit at WR under contract. They have MVS and that's it, the roster is barren at the position after this year. While they don't absolutely NEED a WR to step up this year, they do NEED bodies long term. IMO WR is a position you should be drafting nearly every year. In the past 5 years the wide receivers KC have taken are Hardman, Powell, Tremon Smith, and Chesson. Powell may eventually develop into something (not counting on it), but until now Hardman is the only one that has stuck around. That's a 2nd round pick and then a bunch of late round fliers at the position. It's understandable that KC didn't invest significantly in the draft after getting both Hill and Robinson in 2016, but we're also seeing the results now of a lack of investment at the position.

I wouldn't force it in the 1st, but I also think KC should be prepared to move around in the 1st/2nd to get the guy(s) they want rather than just sitting there waiting for other teams to potentially jump them for the players they covet. If KC doesn't come out of the end of the 2nd round with a WR I would view that as a huge mistake.
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Wr1 type means reasonable probability of big production like hill, Adams or Jefferson…. Can they produce big with pm in our offense. I’m not saying that we can’t find productive players late. I’m just looking for boom prospects like jefferson with that kind of potential. Most of the guys in the second or later have some flaws that bother me or have issues that drastically lower their ceiling. I’m not interested in solid contributors because I feel like we can find those in FA or even possibly with guys already on our roster like fountain or etc.

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What does a "WR1 type" even mean? I think whatever it means, its an outdated thought process. You just want 3 guys who can get open, because if you only have 1-2, a defense can scheme around them with double teams etc.

Kelce, JJSS, MVS, Hardman is enough receiving talent that the offense can be productive, you don't need a significant amount of production from a rookie WR to be a good team in 2022. There are also tons of receivers who don't go in the first round who turn out to be productive (Deebo, Claypool, AJ Brown, Chark all went in the 2nd, McLaurin, Gallup went in the 3rd, Renfrow went in the 5th). If a top receiver doesn't fall in the Chiefs lap in the 1st, that must push down another position group of need (DL, secondary) and there will be an opportunity to add talent in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th.

Offense is always more exciting, but I would not be the slightest bit worried or dissappointed if the first 4-5 picks made all go on improving the defense.

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It seems to me that mahomes rarely throws passes that could be contested. PM seemed very concerned about turnovers and wanted to avoid tipped balls as the season progressed. I like burks but does it concern you that 63% of his downfield catches were contested?
Because he didn’t have any receivers that could win contested ball matchups. I mean Tyreek can catch a jump ball but that’s still a 5’8 receiver covered by a 6’0 DB, so there’s a lot of risk. He doesn’t have a Mike Williams type of receiver. If he did I’m sure he’d throw some contested balls. But Hill, Hardman, and Robinson isn’t a great group to be throwing 50/50 balls to
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