Draft Day Discounts?

Couch-Potato · 03:13 PM

Who's falling in the draft due to injury or character concern that the Chiefs can nab on a discount?

DE Ojabo, achilles at pro day. He was previously slated as a top 20 guy.

DE S Williams, Sexual Assualt Accusation. Had 12.5 sacks last year at Ole Miss and was drafted in the 4th round on ESPN's 7-RD mock.

LB D Clark, Spinal Fusion. Was previously an early to mid Round 2 projection.

WR Justyn Ross, Spinal Fusion & Foot. I've seen him called a top 20 player prior to the injury.

WR George Pickens, probably out of the 1st due to injury history but his stock is remaining much stronger than Ross'.

**BossChief** · 04-11-2022, 03:04 PM

Another one to keep an eye on is age. A handful of guys are getting knocked because they are already 23 or 24. We used that value to take guys like Kelce and Thornhill in the past and I expect that to be the reason we get a player to fall to us that most don’t expect.

kccrow · 04-11-2022, 04:26 PM

Injuries always slide guys a bit. Here's some more with some concerns that have to be vetted and could explain if they do fall or are already project to (not all were serious):
CB Derek Stingley Jr, WR Jameson Williams, CB Andrew Booth Jr, DT DeMarvin Leal (and off-field), WR John Metchie III, QB Carson Strong, CB Jalyn Armour-Davis, RB Zamir White, RB Abram Smith, WR Jalen Nailor, TE Jelani Woods, TE James Mitchell, TE Chig Okonkwo, OT Rasheed Walker, OT Kellen Diesch, OT Matt Waletzko, OG Justin Shaffer, OT Zach Thomas, DE Travon Walker, DE Logan Hall, DE Drake Jackson, DE Josh Paschal, DE Cameron Thomas, DE Alex Wright, DE Christopher Allen, DE Tyreke Smith, DE Jeffrey Gunter, DT Neil Farrell Jr., DT Kalia Davis, DT Noah Elliss, DT Marquan McCall, DT D.J. Davison, LB Troy Anderson, LB JoJo Domann, LB Terrel Bernard, LB Mike Rose, LB Jeremiah Gemmel, LB Aaron Hansford, LB Baylon Spector, LB Jeremiah Moon, LB Jake Hansen, CB Cam Taylor-Britt, CB Marcus Jones, CB Akayleb Evans, CB Josh Jobe, CB Mario Goodrich, CB Isaac Taylor-Stewart, S Percy Butler, S Delarrin Turner-Yell, S Quentin Lake

As far as additions to off-the-field/maturity I'm aware of: OT Dare Rosenthal, OG Ed Ingram, DE Jesse Luketa, DE Isaiah Thomas, DE Michael Clemons, DE Tre Wiliams, DE Adam Anderson, DT Devonte Wyatt, S Bubba Bolden

Age probably won't factor in much given that there are so many 23 or older. Maybe the guys that are pushing or over 25, which includes OT B. Raimann, LB J. Domann and WR V. Jones are going to be relatively cheap I think.

Here's a pretty good list of those 23+ (rounded of course)

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Couch-Potato · 04-11-2022, 04:39 PM

lol Dang Crow! That's a very complete list, thank you!

Chiefs always seem open to drafting guys like this that fall for a discount.

kccrow · 04-11-2022, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

lol Dang Crow! That's a very complete list, thank you!

Chiefs always seem open to drafting guys like this that fall for a discount.

Some are definitely buyer beware. For example, a big reason I've fallen off of Cam Thomas in mocks isn't that I don't like his play (I very much do), it's because of the back injury he had (four fractured vertebrae in 2018). Will it be an issue going forward? Perhaps not, but it's there and you have to think about arthritis and its long-term effects. Would I still draft him? Yes because he's been able to play at a higher level since then. That said, you have to think he might be there in the late 3rd.

Couch-Potato · 04-11-2022, 04:56 PM

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Some are definitely buyer beware. For example, a big reason I've fallen off of Cam Thomas in mocks isn't that I don't like his play (I very much do), it's because of the back injury he had (four fractured vertebrae in 2018). Will it be an issue going forward? Perhaps not, but it's there and you have to think about arthritis and its long-term effects. Would I still draft him? Yes because he's been able to play at a higher level since then. That said, you have to think he might be there in the late 3rd.

He's definitely been sliding recently, used to be considered a late 1st now I see him being drafted in the 3rd.

Chris Meck · 04-12-2022, 07:58 AM

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Some are definitely buyer beware. For example, a big reason I've fallen off of Cam Thomas in mocks isn't that I don't like his play (I very much do), it's because of the back injury he had (four fractured vertebrae in 2018). Will it be an issue going forward? Perhaps not, but it's there and you have to think about arthritis and its long-term effects. Would I still draft him? Yes because he's been able to play at a higher level since then. That said, you have to think he might be there in the late 3rd.

Man, I doubt he lasts that long. The only question I would have is the back injury, but as you said, he's played at a high level since.

I'd love him in the second round. That's a great value pick at a need position and worth the risk, in my opinion.

Wilson8 · 04-20-2022, 03:54 PM

Sometimes players are discounted because of size.

I really like ILB Malcolm Rodriguez, Oklahoma State.

He is 5-11, 232 pounds, runs the 40 in 4.52

At Oklahoma State he has played 5 seasons, 56 games, 408 tackles. Last year he had 129 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 int, 4 PD.

Watch some of the Oklahoma State games and you will see him all over the field making tackles.

Yet he only got a NFLPA Collegiate Bowl game invite, and most media draft evaluations have him as maybe a 6th round draft pick.

I think he would be an excellent player for the Chiefs with special teams, filling in when needed, and maybe even starting.

Nightfyre · 04-20-2022, 04:19 PM

Adam Anderson. Probably top 10 talent, facing significant issues off the field that may prevent him from being drafted. On the other hand, when you have all of the 7th round picks... Maybe you take a guy like that on the off chance he is innocent.

kccrow · 04-20-2022, 05:14 PM

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Adam Anderson. Probably top 10 talent, facing significant issues off the field that may prevent him from being drafted. On the other hand, when you have all of the 7th round picks... Maybe you take a guy like that on the off chance he is innocent.

It makes it tough to take that shot when the judge didn't dismiss the case. Clearly, he feels there's enough evidence there that "could" lead to him being guilty. He has two allegations against him. If he's found innocent, talk to him and maybe give him a shot. I don't think any team is touching him though.

Nightfyre · 04-20-2022, 06:12 PM

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It makes it tough to take that shot when the judge didn't dismiss the case. Clearly, he feels there's enough evidence there that "could" lead to him being guilty. He has two allegations against him. If he's found innocent, talk to him and maybe give him a shot. I don't think any team is touching him though.

I haven't looked into the details at all. Teams will be doing hard due diligence on him though.

Couch-Potato · 04-22-2022, 05:47 AM

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Adam Anderson. Probably top 10 talent, facing significant issues off the field that may prevent him from being drafted. On the other hand, when you have all of the 7th round picks... Maybe you take a guy like that on the off chance he is innocent.

How is it possible that I've never heard of this top 10 pick that's dropping out of the draft completely?... Whoa!

kccrow · 04-22-2022, 07:09 AM

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How is it possible that I've never heard of this top 10 pick that's dropping out of the draft completely?... Whoa!

What?!

The dude was probably the best player on that entire defense full of studs and easily their best defensive lineman. Had 5 sacks in 7 games before being suspended due to the rape charges. He's like a clone of Leonard Floyd.

Would have possibly pushed another good ER down a bit further towards KC. Maybe a 3-4 team takes a late flier but I still think he ends up a UDFA that someone will sign if he's cleared.

**chiefforlife** · 04-23-2022, 10:34 AM

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What?!

The dude was probably the best player on that entire defense full of studs and easily their best defensive lineman. Had 5 sacks in 7 games before being suspended due to the rape charges. He's like a clone of Leonard Floyd.

Would have possibly pushed another good ER down a bit further towards KC. Maybe a 3-4 team takes a late flier but I still think he ends up a UDFA that someone will sign if he's cleared.

I would easily use one of our 7th rounders on him to lock him up. If he is cleared EVERY team will be after him. Cant think of a better use of a 7!

listopencil · 04-24-2022, 04:30 AM

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How is it possible that I've never heard of this top 10 pick that's dropping out of the draft completely?... Whoa!

He's quick and powerful with his hands. Generates consistent penetration. Relentless in pursuit. And he's a pretty good football player too.

04-11-2022, 03:00 PM	Topic Starter
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04-11-2022, 04:26 PM	#3
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1240000	Injuries always slide guys a bit. Here's some more with some concerns that have to be vetted and could explain if they do fall or are already project to (not all were serious): CB Derek Stingley Jr, WR Jameson Williams, CB Andrew Booth Jr, DT DeMarvin Leal (and off-field), WR John Metchie III, QB Carson Strong, CB Jalyn Armour-Davis, RB Zamir White, RB Abram Smith, WR Jalen Nailor, TE Jelani Woods, TE James Mitchell, TE Chig Okonkwo, OT Rasheed Walker, OT Kellen Diesch, OT Matt Waletzko, OG Justin Shaffer, OT Zach Thomas, DE Travon Walker, DE Logan Hall, DE Drake Jackson, DE Josh Paschal, DE Cameron Thomas, DE Alex Wright, DE Christopher Allen, DE Tyreke Smith, DE Jeffrey Gunter, DT Neil Farrell Jr., DT Kalia Davis, DT Noah Elliss, DT Marquan McCall, DT D.J. Davison, LB Troy Anderson, LB JoJo Domann, LB Terrel Bernard, LB Mike Rose, LB Jeremiah Gemmel, LB Aaron Hansford, LB Baylon Spector, LB Jeremiah Moon, LB Jake Hansen, CB Cam Taylor-Britt, CB Marcus Jones, CB Akayleb Evans, CB Josh Jobe, CB Mario Goodrich, CB Isaac Taylor-Stewart, S Percy Butler, S Delarrin Turner-Yell, S Quentin Lake As far as additions to off-the-field/maturity I'm aware of: OT Dare Rosenthal, OG Ed Ingram, DE Jesse Luketa, DE Isaiah Thomas, DE Michael Clemons, DE Tre Wiliams, DE Adam Anderson, DT Devonte Wyatt, S Bubba Bolden Age probably won't factor in much given that there are so many 23 or older. Maybe the guys that are pushing or over 25, which includes OT B. Raimann, LB J. Domann and WR V. Jones are going to be relatively cheap I think. Here's a pretty good list of those 23+ (rounded of course) Spoiler! QB K. Pickett 24 M. Willis 23 M. Corral 23 B. Zappe 23 J. Coan 23 E. Perry 24 D. Crum 23 RB B. Robinson 23 A. Smith 23 R. White 23 P. Strong 23 T. Chandler 24 K. Brooks 23 OT T. Penning 23 B. Raimann 25 A. Lucas 23 B. Jones 23 K. Diesch 24 R. Van DeMark 24 J. Carter 23 O. Eze 24 D. Cochran 24 IOL C. Strange 24 L. Goedeke 23 M. Hayes 23 S. Rhyan 23 L. Fortner 24 E. Ingram 23 Z. Tom 23 B. Brown 24 L. Smith 24 A. Lindstrom 24 J. Shaffer 24 C. Paul 23 C. Mays 23 C. Volson 23 Z. Thomas 24 WR J. Tolbert 23 C. Watson 23 C. Austin III 23 D. Gray 23 B. Melton 23 K. Philips 23 V. Jones 25 D. Dixon 24 D. Drummond 25 B. Sanders 23 TE C. Otton 23 J. Woods 23 C. Kolar 23 J. Ferguson 23 DE J. Johnson II 23 A. Ebiketie 23 B. Mafe 23 D. Robinson 24 S. Williams 23 M. Sanders 24 A. Barno 23 C. Allen 24 J. Luketa 23 I. Thomas 23 M. Clemons 25 DT D. Wyatt 24 P. Mathis 24 J. Ridgeway 23 N. Farrell 24 K. Daviss 23 E. Uwazurike 24 H. Garrett 24 LB D. Lloyd 23 T. Anderson 23 J. Domann 25 D. Beavers 23 T. Bernard 23 M. Rodriguez 23 J. Gemmel 23 A. Hansford 24 D. Jackson 24 K. Johnson 24 CB M. Jones 23 C. Bryant 23 D. Mathis 23 T. Castro-Fields 23 J. Jobe 24 J. Watson 24 K. Barnes 23 C. Durant 24 D. Williams 24 C. Lucas 25 S J. Pitre 23 J. Brisker 23 T. Anderson 23 A. Taylor 23 Y. Corker 23 M. Bell 23 L. O'Neal 23 Q. Lake 23 B. Bolden 23 S. Weatherford 23 N. Turner 24
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04-11-2022, 04:39 PM	#4
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $183065	lol Dang Crow! That's a very complete list, thank you! Chiefs always seem open to drafting guys like this that fall for a discount.
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04-20-2022, 03:54 PM	#8
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2837557	Sometimes players are discounted because of size. I really like ILB Malcolm Rodriguez, Oklahoma State. He is 5-11, 232 pounds, runs the 40 in 4.52 At Oklahoma State he has played 5 seasons, 56 games, 408 tackles. Last year he had 129 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 int, 4 PD. Watch some of the Oklahoma State games and you will see him all over the field making tackles. Yet he only got a NFLPA Collegiate Bowl game invite, and most media draft evaluations have him as maybe a 6th round draft pick. I think he would be an excellent player for the Chiefs with special teams, filling in when needed, and maybe even starting.
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04-20-2022, 04:19 PM	#9
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	Adam Anderson. Probably top 10 talent, facing significant issues off the field that may prevent him from being drafted. On the other hand, when you have all of the 7th round picks... Maybe you take a guy like that on the off chance he is innocent.
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