Have NFL defenses fully adjusted to the RPO?

[rabblerouser]

Elements of this discussion are popping up in other threads, so let's discuss it in its own thread?

My opinion :

NFL defenses have caught up with the RPO.

Time for Patrick to really hone his pre-snap reads and start actually going through progressions based on those reads as opposed to reading the safety to determine man or zone and then doing everything else based on what the defense presents once the ball is snapped.

They know what we're doing and have adjusted.

Will Reid toss Bieniemy and go back to his WCO roots and press Mahomes to be even greater?

Or are we looking at another McCarthy-Rogers situation?

[Kman34]

I hate the RPO.. Takes too long to develop and we can’t run for shit when we do it. Just let Patrick do his thing and run normal run plays..

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Kman34

I hate the RPO.. Takes too long to develop and we can’t run for shit when we do it. Just let Patrick do his thing and run normal run plays..

Plus, this Oline is waaaay more suited to short/intermediate routes and power running, like ISO/Power O, stuff like that.

Not to mention going pro-set/I formation with 22 and 12 personnel would get Hardman off the ****ing field...

AND defenses are so keyed on stopping the deep pass off the RPO, they're susceptible to being gashed by a power running game...and cover 2/cover 3 have always been susceptible to giving up chunks to the TE on seam and wheel routes (Kelce and Fortson in the 12 group!?)

If Andy Reid is just letting Eric Bieniemy "run" this offense, it shows. It's lazy and predictable and they've been running all the same shit they lost the Super Bowl with, and that shows, too.

"RPO. Oh. Defense is keyed pass...here's a delayed handoff out of the shotgun 7 yards behind a run blocking line thinking they're blocking a pass that got changed to a run. Handing the ball to a MEH rb who gets exactly 1 yard on 2nd down.

"Innovative."

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Plus, this Oline is waaaay more suited to short/intermediate routes and power running, like ISO/Power O, stuff like that.

Not to mention going pro-set/I formation with 22 and 12 personnel would get Hardman off the ****ing field...

AND defenses are so keyed on stopping the deep pass off the RPO, they're susceptible to being gashed by a power running game...and cover 2/cover 3 have always been susceptible to giving up chunks to the TE on seam and wheel routes (Kelce and Fortson in the 12 group!?)

If Andy Reid is just letting Eric Bieniemy "run" this offense, it shows. It's lazy and predictable and they've been running all the same shit they lost the Super Bowl with, and that shows, too.

"RPO. Oh. Defense is keyed pass...here's a delayed handoff out of the shotgun 7 yards behind a run blocking line thinking they're blocking a pass that got changed to a run. Handing the ball to a MEH rb who gets exactly 1 yard on 2nd down.

"Innovative."

If Reid truly is letting Bienemy run the show, that’s depressing and aggravating. I’d be really pissed if they’re contractually obligated to let that clown call plays.

He comes off well in interviews but he’s clearly a stubborn douche who does nothing to improve the team and may be holding them back.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

"RPO. Oh. Defense is keyed pass...here's a delayed handoff out of the shotgun 7 yards behind a run blocking line thinking they're blocking a pass that got changed to a run. Handing the ball to a MEH rb who gets exactly 1 yard on 2nd down."

This is the one big problem with the RPO. It really puts stress on the line.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This is the one big problem with the RPO. It really puts stress on the line.

And if defenses know you WON'T commit to the run, they can just lay back and try to make the Chiefs be the cohesive, efficient offense that they're obviously not capable of being right now.

The reason I say that they're "obviously not capable" of doing that is because if they were capable of doing that, you'd think they would.

Whether it be Patrick being stuck on the RPO or the coaching staff getting lazy and complacent, something has to give.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Plus, this Oline is waaaay more suited to short/intermediate routes and power running, like ISO/Power O, stuff like that.

Not to mention going pro-set/I formation with 22 and 12 personnel would get Hardman off the ****ing field...

AND defenses are so keyed on stopping the deep pass off the RPO, they're susceptible to being gashed by a power running game...and cover 2/cover 3 have always been susceptible to giving up chunks to the TE on seam and wheel routes (Kelce and Fortson in the 12 group!?)

If Andy Reid is just letting Eric Bieniemy "run" this offense, it shows. It's lazy and predictable and they've been running all the same shit they lost the Super Bowl with, and that shows, too.

"RPO. Oh. Defense is keyed pass...here's a delayed handoff out of the shotgun 7 yards behind a run blocking line thinking they're blocking a pass that got changed to a run. Handing the ball to a MEH rb who gets exactly 1 yard on 2nd down.

"Innovative."

I feel like this is happening. Colts game looked like Andy believed the team talent would make up for bad calls and it was near a guaranteed win so he let EB call the game. Would also help tie in with how Mahomes went after EB at half.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by penguinz

I feel like this is happening. Colts game looked like Andy believed the team talent would make up for bad calls and it was near a guaranteed win so he let EB call the game. Would also help tie in with how Mahomes went after EB at half.

I mean, if this is accurate, at what point does it become a "failed experiment."

[Dunerdr]

**** outside zone.

Sorry wrong thread.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

**** outside zone.

Sorry wrong thread.

Nah, this is the right thread for that, too.

The line and CEH/MEH are better suited for ISO and power running.

**** outside zone, indeed.

[htismaqe]

Part of Patrick's "thing" is the RPO, unfortunately.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Part of Patrick's "thing" is the RPO, unfortunately.

I didn't watch him at Texas Tech. Did they use the RPO?

[Sofa King]

RPO doesn't work without the run.

Wish we had Jamaal Charles.

[Brody Wa]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

RPO doesn't work without the run.

Wish we had Jamaal Charles.

I would settle for Kareem Hunt

[Wisconsin_Chief]

It has absolutely become stale and predictable, just like the Wildcat and the Pistol and all the other gimmick offenses that have come and gone like farts in the wind. This one lasted a little longer and was quite effective for a good stretch, but it simply is not fooling anyone anymore. It also doesn't help that we have a cabinet full of average to below average JAG running backs that no defense remotely fears. That's probably the biggest issue overall.

Andy has evolved many times in the past, so I'm not sure what's stopping him this time. I truly hope it's not complacency, and I have no reason to believe Reid is ready to phone it in based on all we know about him. If it's because EB has too much control over what we're doing, then that shit needs to be put to a stop immediately and I don't give a damn if it pisses EB off. Put the guy up in the booth with a fake headset and let him ride out his contract.

The most concerning point of view is if they truly think this is the offense Patrick needs to run to be most effective, which I have to trust they aren't foolish enough to believe. It really is a mystery at this point, my only guess is Reid is giving EB and this scheme one more year and then will revamp everything this offseason since this year was kind of viewed as a "retooling" year anyway.