How the Chiefs are attacking the 2 deep defense.

[O.city]

New on @TheNFLWire: In anticipation of Sunday's @Chiefs-@BuffaloBills game, I took a look at how Patrick Mahomes is attacking the two-deep coverages that befuddled him last season.

For multiple reasons, Mahomes has been demolishing all of it in 2022. https://t.co/GtSTJUzOfD

— Doug Farrar ✍ (@NFL_DougFarrar) October 14, 2022

[AdolfOliverBush]

I wonder how much of the 2 deep struggles were due to Mahomes, and how much was due to the inability of the coaching staff to adapt to what defenses were doing?

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I wonder how much of the 2 deep struggles were due to Mahomes, and how much was due to the inability of the coaching staff to adapt to what defenses were doing?

Mahomes always goes for the jugular. If he's reading high to low, with shit pass protection, he misses the underneath plays.

The big one that had everyone's vagina bleeding last year was Kelce wide open for about 15 free yards, and Mahomes opted for the deep shot to a double covered Hardman who had about a half step separation, and it just didn't connect.

Now that he's reading underneath first, with far less reward to hold the ball and wait, he's hitting these plays that Andy has schemed up to beat this coverage with wide open guys.

[the steam]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Now that he's reading underneath first, with far less reward to hold the ball and wait, he's hitting these plays that Andy has schemed up to beat this coverage with wide open guys.

That's when our offense is the best, when Mahomes gets that dump first mentality on every drop back. Andy has always been great at calling games to his teams strength and throwing the long ball is not Mahomes long suit. Just continue dumping them to death. The only defense to the constant short passing game is consistent good tackling which doesn't exist in today's NFL and Andy knows that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I wonder how much of the 2 deep struggles were due to Mahomes, and how much was due to the inability of the coaching staff to adapt to what defenses were doing?

I'd put a majority of it on Mahomes.

Like many were saying last season - 2-high shells are NOT novel concepts. These were around 20 years ago and it was winning games until opposing offenses learned out to pick it apart.

It just isn't a hard defense to beat up. We simply weren't doing it.

And I think a lot of that came down to Mahomes. Now to give him a bit of a break, a great deal of that came from confidence issues born of bad drops and a new OL so he was trying to press a bit.

But I think it was more on Mahomes than anyone wanted to acknowledge. It just doesn't make sense that we were struggling to beat a defense that has been so easily abused in the past.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd put a majority of it on Mahomes.

Like many were saying last season - 2-high shells are NOT novel concepts. These were around 20 years ago and it was winning games until opposing offenses learned out to pick it apart.

It just isn't a hard defense to beat up. We simply weren't doing it.

And I think a lot of that came down to Mahomes. Now to give him a bit of a break, a great deal of that came from confidence issues born of bad drops and a new OL so he was trying to press a bit.

But I think it was more on Mahomes than anyone wanted to acknowledge. It just doesn't make sense that we were struggling to beat a defense that has been so easily abused in the past.

I think a lot had to do with lack of confidence in anyone not named Kelce or Hill. Pringle was our next best option and might not be as good as our 4th or 5th option this year(watson and Moore?)

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd put a majority of it on Mahomes.

Like many were saying last season - 2-high shells are NOT novel concepts. These were around 20 years ago and it was winning games until opposing offenses learned out to pick it apart.

It just isn't a hard defense to beat up. We simply weren't doing it.

And I think a lot of that came down to Mahomes. Now to give him a bit of a break, a great deal of that came from confidence issues born of bad drops and a new OL so he was trying to press a bit.

But I think it was more on Mahomes than anyone wanted to acknowledge. It just doesn't make sense that we were struggling to beat a defense that has been so easily abused in the past.

Exactly.

Many of the problems we're seeing NOW are because Mahomes is passing up gimme's for shot plays. He's still going to do it and you don't want him to stop but at the same time, it's fun to watch him methodically carve up defenses with 10-play drives too.

In the end, all that matters is winning.

[Eleazar]

Mahomes' play has been far from optimal QB play at times. He had some trouble adjusting to what defenses were throwing at us last year. Sometimes we lived on the freakish ability of Hill and Kelce more than anything. But the personnel we have now is probably better suited, from top to bottom, at using the whole field and sustaining drives. Reid has adjusted the offense to respond to the 2 deep looks, and by the end of this year I think we'll be saying that Mahomes has improved as a passer a lot.

All the things that make Mahomes great and help him overcome mistakes and create opportunities out of nothing also mean he doesn't play textbook football all the time. He's not going to be the clinical efficiency type like some other great QBs are. He's always going to be one of those who has feel for the game and instinct as a major part of his game. Seeing him develop as a passer makes him more dangerous, but we don't want him to change what essentially has made him great.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I wonder how much of the 2 deep struggles were due to Mahomes, and how much was due to the inability of the coaching staff to adapt to what defenses were doing?

Why not both?

[BWillie]

Makw deep shell coverages illegal. Like the shift in baseball. Can only have one player deeper than 10 yards or its illegal formation or something.

I want to see bombs. I want to see them now.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Makw deep shell coverages illegal. Like the shift in baseball. Can only have one player deeper than 10 yards or its illegal formation or something.

I want to see bombs. I want to see them now.

Can you imagine how much Tyreek would be worth in that situation?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Makw deep shell coverages illegal. Like the shift in baseball. Can only have one player deeper than 10 yards or its illegal formation or something.

I want to see bombs. I want to see them now.

That would be interesting and would add excitement to the games. However, defenses are at such a disadvantage that I hate to give an offense even more of an advantage. Maybe if you pass that rule, you can also pass a rule that defensive players are allowed to pull the quarterback to the ground.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That would be interesting and would add excitement to the games. However, defenses are at such a disadvantage that I hate to give an offense even more of an advantage. Maybe if you pass that rule, you can also pass a rule that defensive players are allowed to pull the quarterback to the ground.

You know I kind of though the same but then I watched the Commanders vs Bears game and a couple Bronco games.

[O.city]

It was the way people got to Manning at times. Belicheck and company did it in the playoffs against him alot early.

Make them be methodical and efficient. Pat learned it the hard way.

[Hammock Parties]

one thing that is making a difference, juju is great at catching the ball short and using his strength to power through defenders for 4-5 extra yards

he's been used almost like a tight end this year....what we lost in reek's quickness underneath, we have gained in juju's sheer bull strength...and he doesn't drop the ****ing ball