Offseason Mock 3/1/23

kccrow · 03-01-2023, 11:52 PM

Discount Kiper is honing in, folks, and he's kind of bored. I foresee Veach working to "complete" the defense by strengthing the defensive line for the long haul then filling in the offense with some developmental prospects late and veterans in key roles.
If you're salivating over going all in on WRs you might want to prepare for your butt to pucker because I don't have it happening here. A modest free agent, a late stab, and development internally are at play here.
If you're wanting for an overhaul of the offensive line, this probably isn't your favorite either. A couple of veteran additions and a singular stab on day 3 are on the docket.
And on we go... (swiftly combs fingers through his long locks)...

Restructures
QB Patrick Mahomes: Restructure of $34.40m roster bonus to signing bonus (-27.52m)
ER Frank Clark: Reduction of 2023 salary from $20.5m to $4.75m fully guaranteed, $1.275m in per-game bonuses, and remaining bonuses for a total cap charge of $16.0m ($7.675m of prorated bonus), and a savings of $12.675m

Extensions
DT Chris Jones: 4-yr/$116.5m extension, $31.5m signing bonus, $69.0m guaranteed at signing, $16.0m 2023 salary to bonus. Cap hits of 21.8, 28.0, 29.0, 32.0, and 34.0. Total contract AAV becomes $28.9m. (-6.50m)
CB L'Jarius Sneed: 3-yr/$42.0m extension, $12.0m signing bonus, $19.5m in total guarantees. Cap hits of 4.17, 11.0, 13.0, 15.0. (+3.0m)

Free Agent Re-signings
LT Orlando Brown, Jr.: 6-yr/$139.5m, $31.25m signing bonus, $65.25m guaranteed at signing (cap hits of 15.5, 18.5, 24.0, 27.0, 26.0, 28.5).
P Tommy Townsend: 4-yr/$12.0m, $2.0m signing bonus, $3.5m guaranteed at signing. (cap hits of 2.0, 2.5, 3.5, 4.0)
WR Justin Watson: 1-yr/$1.22m, $152.5k signing bonus, Veteran Salary Benefit deal (cap hit 1.02m)
RB Jerick McKinnon: 1-yr/$2.25m deal, $835k signing bonus
DT Khalen Saunders: 1-yr/$2.58m, $152.5k signing bonus, Four-Year Qualifying Player deal (cap hit 1.23m)
DB Deon Bush: 1-yr/$1.32m, $152.5k signing bonus, VSB deal (cap hit 1.02m)
FB Michael Burton: 1-yr/$1.32m, $152.5k signing bonus, VSB deal (cap hit 1.02m)
TE Jody Fortson: ERFA tag 1-yr/$870k
QB Shane Buechele: ERFA tag 1-yr/$870k

Free Agent Additions
RT Trey Pipkins (LAC age 26 6'6" 309) 2-yr/$8.5m, $3.0m signing bonus, $4.25m guaranteed at signing (cap hits 3.0, 5.5)
A RT that showed he was turning the corner as a really solid player before an injury ended his 2022 campaign. Looks like an upgrade to Wylie as a pass blocker on the right side and should come relatively cheap.
DT Armon Watts (CHI age 26, 6'5" 298) 2-yr/$5.5m, $1.0m signing bonus, $2.25m guaranteed at signing (cap hits 2.0, 3.5)
Has shown in the past he can be a disruptive presence in the right situation but got bumped out of a good room in Minnesota before being claimed by, gulp, Chicago. He could be a rotational 3-tech here.
WR Parris Campbell (IND age 26, 6'1" 208) 1-yr/$2.7m, $1.0m signing bonus, $2.08m guaranteed at signing, $5.5m UTBE incentives
Parris was reliable last year, finally, in role that saw him operate primarily from the slot. He's similar to JuJu but a bit faster and could come on a similar contract to look for a bigger payday.
QB Blaine Gabbert (TB age 33, 6'4" 235) 2-yr/$5.0m, $1.5m signing bonus, $2.50m guaranteed at signing (cap hits 2.25, 2.75)
Gabbert might be tempted to come home and would be a solid veteran presence in the QB room for analysis.
OT Josh Wells (TB age 32, 6'6" 306) 1-yr/$1.32m, $152.5k signing bonus, VSB deal (cap hit 1.02m)
Wells has been a solid reserve for some time and has played admirably when asked to start. There's not a lot of cap room to go around in Tampa Bay and they will likely be on to a youth movement.

Chiefs Let Walk
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster, FS Juan Thornhill, OT Andrew Wylie, DE Carlos Dunlap, DT Brandon Williams, DT Derrick Nnadi, DT Tershawn Wharton, OT Prince Tega Wanogho, WR Mecole Hardman, TE Blake Bell, RB Ronald Jones II, LB Darius Harris, QB Chad Henne (Retired), OG Nick Allegretti

Draft
1-31. ER Derick Hall, Auburn (6'3" 252)
A speed rusher with a power game to boot. He's relentless, tough, physical, and of high character.
2-48. DT Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin (6'3" 317)
Chiefs trade with Detroit, sending 2-63 and 3-95 for 2-48.
Collapses the pocket with some ability to get to the QB and dominant anchor strength at the point of attack.
4-122. CB Rejzohn Wright, Oregon State (6'2" 199)
Physical corner with good foot speed to keep with receivers and a solid tackler in the screen game.
4-134. OT Braeden Daniels, Utah (6'4" 297)
Athletic tackle-to-guard conversion project with good athleticism and a similar pre-draft profile to Joe Thuney. Cheers Sac.
5-168. ER Tavius Robinson, Ole Miss (6'6" 265)
Long, fundamentally sound, and smart defensive end with good linear close to the QB
6-197. RB Evan Hull, Northwestern (5'11" 210)
Patient runner with excellent vision and the speed to hit the hole. Looked like Christian McCaffrey-light with his receiving volume.
6-217. LB Shaka Heyward, Duke (6'3" 239)
Rangy and instinctive LB with the speed to cover ground sideline-to-sideline that needs to work on strength and man coverage.
6-219. S Quindell Johnson, Memphis (5'11" 198)
High-energy coverage safety with ball skills to shore up depth.
7-227. DT Brodric Martin, Western Kentucky (6'4" 337)
Rotational upside as an immovable object against the run but offers zero pass rush ability.
7-251. WR Keylon Stokes, Tulsa (5'10" 198)
Solid speed and quickness paired with outstanding route running and balance who offers upside as an off-line move receiver and kick returner.
7-257. TE Blake Whiteheart, Wake Forest (6'4" 240)
Solid receiving TE with speed that lacks NFL weight in year one but could prove a usable weapon as he adds bulk.

TC Roster
QB: P. Mahomes II, B. Gabbert, S. Buechele
RB: I. Pacheco, J. McKinnon, C. Edwards-Helaire, E. Hull
FB: M. Burton
TE: T. Kelce, N. Gray, J. Fortson, B. Whiteheart
WR: M. Valdes-Scantling, P. Campbell, K. Toney, S. Moore, J. Watson, K. Stokes, Ju. Ross, Jo. Ross
OT: O. Brown Jr., T. Pipkins, L. Niang, J. Wells
IL: J. Thuney, C. Humphrey, T. Smith, B. Daniels, D. Kinnard

ED: G. Karlaftis, D. Hall, F.Clark, M. Danna, T. Robinson, M. Herring, J. Kaindoh
DT: D. Jones, K. Benton, A. Watts, K. Saunders, B. Martin
LB: N. Bolton, W. Gay, L. Chenal, S. Hewyard, J. Cochrane
CB: T. McDuffie, J. Williams, L. Sneed, R. Wright, J. Watson
DB: J. Reid, B. Cook, N. Johnson, D. Bush, Q. Johnson

ST: H. Butker, T. Townsend, J. Winchester

**The Franchise** · 03-01-2023, 11:58 PM

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O.city · 03-02-2023, 08:37 AM

Really like the draft.

If you could send a pick for DHop I'd love it all.

Couch-Potato · 03-02-2023, 08:42 AM

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Chris Meck · 03-02-2023, 08:43 AM

I like everything but Gabbert. Knock on him was always that he was lacking between the ears, so i don't see him as a good fit for a Henne replacement, who was the opposite.

I really like Hall and Benton.

I'd like to see a developmental OT earlier if we go DE and DT early.

And a WR.

In fact, that's my preferred rounds 1-4.

But this is solid and realistic.

duncan_idaho · 03-02-2023, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I like everything but Gabbert. Knock on him was always that he was lacking between the ears, so i don't see him as a good fit for a Henne replacement, who was the opposite.

I really like Hall and Benton.

I'd like to see a developmental OT earlier if we go DE and DT early.

And a WR.

In fact, that's my preferred rounds 1-4.

But this is solid and realistic.

Gabbert is actually really intelligent. I think he scored in the high 30s on the Wonderlic. His issue is processing speed on the field. He's just not super instinctive.

I think he could actually be a really effective backup and would do well in a pinch in the Andy Reid system.

Toad · 03-02-2023, 09:45 AM

Pretty darn good with the exception of leaving the WR cupboard a little bare…

Chris Meck · 03-02-2023, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Toad

Pretty darn good with the exception of leaving the WR cupboard a little bare…

I think we need to get used to being a little unsure of the WR corps.

It's a position that we really need to grow our own.

If it was me, I'd be drafting a WR in the first three rounds pretty much every year until the position is stocked.

I felt the same way about the CB room-and for the same reason, which is that it's a very expensive position to have to fill in free agency. Big tip of the cap to Veach for solidifying that room all in one draft.

We're going to need Moore and Toney to step up, it's just that simple.

Direckshun · 03-02-2023, 10:35 AM

This is a great offseason everywhere but skill positions.

We are absolutely asking Kelce to be all world again, and we haven't elevated the options around him. If anything, the options around him have taken a step back.

I suppose this is an offseason that is betting on the development of Pacheco, Gray, Toney, and Moore. And betting that Kelce doesn't fall off.

I'm not crazy about the notion, but man I did like what you did at DL.

Chris Meck · 03-02-2023, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is a great offseason everywhere but skill positions.

We are absolutely asking Kelce to be all world again, and we haven't elevated the options around him. If anything, the options around him have taken a step back.

I suppose this is an offseason that is betting on the development of Pacheco, Gray, Toney, and Moore. And betting that Kelce doesn't fall off.

I'm not crazy about the notion, but man I did like what you did at DL.

I keep seeing things like this, and I just have to ask:

What exactly does Noah Gray need to do to convince anyone that he's a good player?

More targets? HE PLAYS ON A TEAM WITH TRAVIS KELCE. More targets probably ain't comin' unless we start load managing Kelce, and honestly, we probably should.

Gray's developed into a fine TE2 and would be TE1 on a lot of teams, in my opinion.

It kind of makes me wonder what the hell people are thinking.

kccrow · 03-02-2023, 09:15 PM

Yeah, on WR, I'm thinking you do start banking on young guys stepping up. Moore and Toney are guys that need to absorb roles of significance next year. Parris Campbell had 60/600 last year in a much lower volume offense so he could replace JuJu's production. I'm also very much thinking Justyn Ross gets a serious shot to make this team or the Chiefs would have released him with an injury designation instead of stashing him on IR.

The cupboard would not be bare, it's just not the flashy "DHop trade" or the like people are clamoring for. I really don't think a move like that is necessary, to be honest.

Chris Meck · 03-03-2023, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Yeah, on WR, I'm thinking you do start banking on young guys stepping up. Moore and Toney are guys that need to absorb roles of significance next year. Parris Campbell had 60/600 last year in a much lower volume offense so he could replace JuJu's production. I'm also very much thinking Justyn Ross gets a serious shot to make this team or the Chiefs would have released him with an injury designation instead of stashing him on IR.

The cupboard would not be bare, it's just not the flashy "DHop trade" or the like people are clamoring for. I really don't think a move like that is necessary, to be honest.

Looking at the numbers going forward, I don't think it's POSSIBLE, really. You do a Dhop deal, you have to start gutting your team very soon.

If you want to pay a Sneed, a Bolton, a Jones, you can't go sign a Dhop.

You probably shouldn't pay Brown honestly, it's not good value per production.

O.city · 03-03-2023, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Looking at the numbers going forward, I don't think it's POSSIBLE, really. You do a Dhop deal, you have to start gutting your team very soon.

If you want to pay a Sneed, a Bolton, a Jones, you can't go sign a Dhop.

You probably shouldn't pay Brown honestly, it's not good value per production.

He's a LT man. I get that some don't care for the player, but they're gonna pay a capable LT over a CB or a MLB. It's just basic positional importance.

Chris Meck · 03-03-2023, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He's a LT man. I get that some don't care for the player, but they're gonna pay a capable LT over a CB or a MLB. It's just basic positional importance.

But he's a middle talent LT demanding top of the market money.

We can live with middle talent at LT, we just can't afford to pay disproportionately.

O.city · 03-03-2023, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

But he's a middle talent LT demanding top of the market money.

We can live with middle talent at LT, we just can't afford to pay disproportionately.

I just don't agree with the middling talent. He's a top 10 LT in the league guys. He's not the best for sure, but he's also the one hitting contract time right now. He may end up being a top 3 or so paid guy. That will last til the next guy gets paid.

He's 26 and has played well for the Chiefs at LT. I really doubt they're gonna move off him unless his demands are just wildly unreasonable.

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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1240000	Offseason Mock 3/1/23 Discount Kiper is honing in, folks, and he's kind of bored. I foresee Veach working to "complete" the defense by strengthing the defensive line for the long haul then filling in the offense with some developmental prospects late and veterans in key roles. If you're salivating over going all in on WRs you might want to prepare for your butt to pucker because I don't have it happening here. A modest free agent, a late stab, and development internally are at play here. If you're wanting for an overhaul of the offensive line, this probably isn't your favorite either. A couple of veteran additions and a singular stab on day 3 are on the docket. And on we go... (swiftly combs fingers through his long locks)... Restructures QB Patrick Mahomes: Restructure of $34.40m roster bonus to signing bonus (-27.52m) ER Frank Clark: Reduction of 2023 salary from $20.5m to $4.75m fully guaranteed, $1.275m in per-game bonuses, and remaining bonuses for a total cap charge of $16.0m ($7.675m of prorated bonus), and a savings of $12.675m Extensions DT Chris Jones: 4-yr/$116.5m extension, $31.5m signing bonus, $69.0m guaranteed at signing, $16.0m 2023 salary to bonus. Cap hits of 21.8, 28.0, 29.0, 32.0, and 34.0. Total contract AAV becomes $28.9m. (-6.50m) CB L'Jarius Sneed: 3-yr/$42.0m extension, $12.0m signing bonus, $19.5m in total guarantees. Cap hits of 4.17, 11.0, 13.0, 15.0. (+3.0m) Free Agent Re-signings LT Orlando Brown, Jr.: 6-yr/$139.5m, $31.25m signing bonus, $65.25m guaranteed at signing (cap hits of 15.5, 18.5, 24.0, 27.0, 26.0, 28.5). P Tommy Townsend: 4-yr/$12.0m, $2.0m signing bonus, $3.5m guaranteed at signing. (cap hits of 2.0, 2.5, 3.5, 4.0) WR Justin Watson: 1-yr/$1.22m, $152.5k signing bonus, Veteran Salary Benefit deal (cap hit 1.02m) RB Jerick McKinnon: 1-yr/$2.25m deal, $835k signing bonus DT Khalen Saunders: 1-yr/$2.58m, $152.5k signing bonus, Four-Year Qualifying Player deal (cap hit 1.23m) DB Deon Bush: 1-yr/$1.32m, $152.5k signing bonus, VSB deal (cap hit 1.02m) FB Michael Burton: 1-yr/$1.32m, $152.5k signing bonus, VSB deal (cap hit 1.02m) TE Jody Fortson: ERFA tag 1-yr/$870k QB Shane Buechele: ERFA tag 1-yr/$870k Free Agent Additions RT Trey Pipkins (LAC age 26 6'6" 309) 2-yr/$8.5m, $3.0m signing bonus, $4.25m guaranteed at signing (cap hits 3.0, 5.5) A RT that showed he was turning the corner as a really solid player before an injury ended his 2022 campaign. Looks like an upgrade to Wylie as a pass blocker on the right side and should come relatively cheap. DT Armon Watts (CHI age 26, 6'5" 298) 2-yr/$5.5m, $1.0m signing bonus, $2.25m guaranteed at signing (cap hits 2.0, 3.5) Has shown in the past he can be a disruptive presence in the right situation but got bumped out of a good room in Minnesota before being claimed by, gulp, Chicago. He could be a rotational 3-tech here. WR Parris Campbell (IND age 26, 6'1" 208) 1-yr/$2.7m, $1.0m signing bonus, $2.08m guaranteed at signing, $5.5m UTBE incentives Parris was reliable last year, finally, in role that saw him operate primarily from the slot. He's similar to JuJu but a bit faster and could come on a similar contract to look for a bigger payday. QB Blaine Gabbert (TB age 33, 6'4" 235) 2-yr/$5.0m, $1.5m signing bonus, $2.50m guaranteed at signing (cap hits 2.25, 2.75) Gabbert might be tempted to come home and would be a solid veteran presence in the QB room for analysis. OT Josh Wells (TB age 32, 6'6" 306) 1-yr/$1.32m, $152.5k signing bonus, VSB deal (cap hit 1.02m) Wells has been a solid reserve for some time and has played admirably when asked to start. There's not a lot of cap room to go around in Tampa Bay and they will likely be on to a youth movement. Chiefs Let Walk WR JuJu Smith-Schuster, FS Juan Thornhill, OT Andrew Wylie, DE Carlos Dunlap, DT Brandon Williams, DT Derrick Nnadi, DT Tershawn Wharton, OT Prince Tega Wanogho, WR Mecole Hardman, TE Blake Bell, RB Ronald Jones II, LB Darius Harris, QB Chad Henne (Retired), OG Nick Allegretti Draft 1-31. ER Derick Hall, Auburn (6'3" 252) A speed rusher with a power game to boot. He's relentless, tough, physical, and of high character. 2-48. DT Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin (6'3" 317) Chiefs trade with Detroit, sending 2-63 and 3-95 for 2-48. Collapses the pocket with some ability to get to the QB and dominant anchor strength at the point of attack. 4-122. CB Rejzohn Wright, Oregon State (6'2" 199) Physical corner with good foot speed to keep with receivers and a solid tackler in the screen game. 4-134. OT Braeden Daniels, Utah (6'4" 297) Athletic tackle-to-guard conversion project with good athleticism and a similar pre-draft profile to Joe Thuney. Cheers Sac. 5-168. ER Tavius Robinson, Ole Miss (6'6" 265) Long, fundamentally sound, and smart defensive end with good linear close to the QB 6-197. RB Evan Hull, Northwestern (5'11" 210) Patient runner with excellent vision and the speed to hit the hole. Looked like Christian McCaffrey-light with his receiving volume. 6-217. LB Shaka Heyward, Duke (6'3" 239) Rangy and instinctive LB with the speed to cover ground sideline-to-sideline that needs to work on strength and man coverage. 6-219. S Quindell Johnson, Memphis (5'11" 198) High-energy coverage safety with ball skills to shore up depth. 7-227. DT Brodric Martin, Western Kentucky (6'4" 337) Rotational upside as an immovable object against the run but offers zero pass rush ability. 7-251. WR Keylon Stokes, Tulsa (5'10" 198) Solid speed and quickness paired with outstanding route running and balance who offers upside as an off-line move receiver and kick returner. 7-257. TE Blake Whiteheart, Wake Forest (6'4" 240) Solid receiving TE with speed that lacks NFL weight in year one but could prove a usable weapon as he adds bulk. TC Roster QB: P. Mahomes II, *B. Gabbert, S. Buechele* RB: I. Pacheco, J. McKinnon, C. Edwards-Helaire, E. Hull FB: M. Burton TE: T. Kelce, N. Gray, J. Fortson, B. Whiteheart WR: M. Valdes-Scantling, *P. Campbell, K. Toney, S. Moore, J. Watson, K. Stokes, Ju. Ross, Jo. Ross OT: O. Brown Jr., T. Pipkins, L. Niang, J. Wells* IL: J. Thuney, C. Humphrey, T. Smith, B. Daniels, D. Kinnard ED: G. Karlaftis, D. Hall, F.Clark, M. Danna, T. Robinson, M. Herring, J. Kaindoh DT: D. Jones, K. Benton, *A. Watts, K. Saunders, B. Martin* LB: N. Bolton, W. Gay, L. Chenal, S. Hewyard, J. Cochrane CB: T. McDuffie, J. Williams, L. Sneed, R. Wright, J. Watson DB: J. Reid, B. Cook, N. Johnson, D. Bush, Q. Johnson ST: H. Butker, T. Townsend, J. Winchester
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	This is a great offseason everywhere but skill positions. We are absolutely asking Kelce to be all world again, and we haven't elevated the options around him. If anything, the options around him have taken a step back. I suppose this is an offseason that is betting on the development of Pacheco, Gray, Toney, and Moore. And betting that Kelce doesn't fall off. I'm not crazy about the notion, but man I did like what you did at DL.
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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1240000	Yeah, on WR, I'm thinking you do start banking on young guys stepping up. Moore and Toney are guys that need to absorb roles of significance next year. Parris Campbell had 60/600 last year in a much lower volume offense so he could replace JuJu's production. I'm also very much thinking Justyn Ross gets a serious shot to make this team or the Chiefs would have released him with an injury designation instead of stashing him on IR. The cupboard would not be bare, it's just not the flashy "DHop trade" or the like people are clamoring for. I really don't think a move like that is necessary, to be honest.
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