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Old 05-18-2004, 08:38 AM   Topic Starter
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Shannon Sharpe vs. Tony Gonzalez career stats.

Shannon Sharpe
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:42 AM   #2
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Shannon Sharpe
G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD20+40+FD
TOTAL2041698151006012.3826213617473
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:47 AM   #3
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I agree. I fixed it.
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:51 AM   #5
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So TG is a wee bit over half of Sharpes numbers at the half way point in his career. Let's see if TG can stay healthy. He's primed to try and get to the spot.
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Old 05-18-2004, 10:04 AM   #6
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So TG is a wee bit over half of Sharpes numbers at the half way point in his career. Let's see if TG can stay healthy. He's primed to try and get to the spot.
If he stays healthy, he'll not only surpass Sharpe's accomplisnments, he'll blow them away.
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Old 05-18-2004, 10:07 AM   #7
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If he stays healthy, he'll not only surpass Sharpe's accomplisnments, he'll blow them away.
It's possible...but not probable
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It's possible...but not probable
If he stays healthy it's BOTH possible and probable. Please explain how it is not. Being a DONX fan and not wanting to accept such things is not a good reason...
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:05 AM   #9
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It's possible...but not probable

Sharpes first 7 seasons.

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52


107 74 383 4884 12.7 31 69 12 217

3.5 cpg
45.6 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.64 20+ pg
2.02 FDs pg
12 40+

Compared to Tony G.s

TOTAL 111 95 468 5647 12.1 47 72 4 303

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 FDs pg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Sharpes last 7 seasons (total of 14)

1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 62 770 12.4 28 8 11 0 42



107 95 432 5176 11.9 31 67 5 256

4.0 cpg
48.3 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.62 20+ pg
2.39 FDs pg
5 40+

Tony G. has far better numbers then Sharpe had his first 7 seasons.
Tony G. has 85 more catches 763 more yards, 16 more TDs, 3 more 20+, 8 fewer 40+, and 82 more FD catches.

Come on think about it if Tony G. keeps this up and he will he could smash the records.
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Old 05-18-2004, 11:07 AM   #10
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Sharpes first 7 seasons.

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52


107 74 383 4884 12.7 31 69 12 217

3.5 cpg
45.6 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.64 20+ pg
2.02 FDs pg
12 40+

Compared to Tony G.s

TOTAL 111 95 468 5647 12.1 47 72 4 303

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 FDs pg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Sharpes last 7 seasons (total of 14)

1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 62 770 12.4 28 8 11 0 42



107 95 432 5176 11.9 31 67 5 256

4.0 cpg
48.3 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.62 20+ pg
2.39 FDs pg
5 40+

Tony G. has far better numbers then Sharpe had his first 7 seasons.
Tony G. has 85 more catches 763 more yards, 16 more TDs, 3 more 20+, 8 fewer 40+, and 82 more FD catches.

Come on think about it if Tony G. keeps this up and he will he could smash the records.
That was my point but Garcia saw it otherwise. Don't really know how except that it might have been a case for only seeing what he wanted to see...
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Sharpes first 7 seasons.

1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52


107 74 383 4884 12.7 31 69 12 217

3.5 cpg
45.6 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.64 20+ pg
2.02 FDs pg
12 40+

Compared to Tony G.s

TOTAL 111 95 468 5647 12.1 47 72 4 303

4.21 cpg
50.8 ypg
.42 tpg
.64 20+ pg
2.72 FDs pg
4 40+
12.9 ypc highest

Sharpes last 7 seasons (total of 14)

1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
2003 Denver Broncos 15 15 62 770 12.4 28 8 11 0 42



107 95 432 5176 11.9 31 67 5 256

4.0 cpg
48.3 ypg
.28 TDs pg
.62 20+ pg
2.39 FDs pg
5 40+

Tony G. has far better numbers then Sharpe had his first 7 seasons.
Tony G. has 85 more catches 763 more yards, 16 more TDs, 3 more 20+, 8 fewer 40+, and 82 more FD catches.

Come on think about it if Tony G. keeps this up and he will he could smash the records.
Another fun way to work stats. Let's see how the next 7 years go.
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Here's the current Hall of Fame Tight Ends.

Modern Era: Tight Ends (6)

Dave Casper 1974-1984
Mike Ditka 1961-1972
John Mackey 1963-1972 Ozzie Newsome 1978-1990
Jackie Smith 1963-1978
Kellen Winslow 1979-1987


I threw TC in here as well.

Dave Casper 5 time PB

1974 oak | 14 | 4 26 6.5 3 |
| 1975 oak | 14 | 5 71 14.2 1 |
| 1976 oak | 13 | 53 691 13.0 10 |
| 1977 oak | 14 | 48 584 12.2 6 |
| 1978 oak | 16 | 62 852 13.7 9 |
| 1979 oak | 15 | 57 771 13.5 3 |
| 1980 hou | 10 | 34 526 15.5 3 |
| 1980 oak | 6 | 22 270 12.3 1 |
| 1981 hou | 16 | 33 572 17.3 8 |
| 1982 hou | 9 | 36 573 15.9 6 |
| 1983 min | 10 | 13 172 13.2 0 |
| 1983 hou | 3 | 7 79 11.3 0 |
| 1984 rai | 7 | 4 29 7.2 2 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 147 | 378 5216 13.8 52 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+



MIke Ditka 5 time PB

1961 chi | 14 | 56 1076 19.2 12 |
| 1962 chi | 14 | 58 904 15.6 5 |
| 1963 chi | 14 | 59 794 13.5 8 |
| 1964 chi | 14 | 75 897 12.0 5 |
| 1965 chi | 14 | 36 454 12.6 2 |
| 1966 chi | 14 | 32 378 11.8 2 |
| 1967 phi | 9 | 26 274 10.5 2 |
| 1968 phi | 11 | 13 111 8.5 2 |
| 1969 dal | 12 | 17 268 15.8 3 |
| 1970 dal | 14 | 8 98 12.2 0 |
| 1971 dal | 14 | 30 360 12.0 1 |
| 1972 dal | 14 | 17 198 11.6 1 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 158 | 427 5812 13.6 43

Todd Christensen 5 time PB

1979 nyg | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1979 oak | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1980 oak | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1981 oak | 16 | 8 115 14.4 2 |
| 1982 rai | 9 | 42 510 12.1 4 |
| 1983 rai | 16 | 92 1247 13.6 12 |
| 1984 rai | 16 | 80 1007 12.6 7 |
| 1985 rai | 16 | 82 987 12.0 6 |
| 1986 rai | 16 | 95 1153 12.1 8 |
| 1987 rai | 12 | 47 663 14.1 2 |
| 1988 rai | 7 | 15 190 12.7 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 137 | 461 5872 12.7 41


John Mackey 5 time PB

1963 bal | 14 | 35 726 20.7 7 |
| 1964 bal | 14 | 22 406 18.5 2 |
| 1965 bal | 14 | 40 814 20.4 7 |
| 1966 bal | 14 | 50 829 16.6 9 |
| 1967 bal | 14 | 55 686 12.5 3 |
| 1968 bal | 14 | 45 644 14.3 5 |
| 1969 bal | 14 | 34 443 13.0 2 |
| 1970 bal | 14 | 28 435 15.5 3 |
| 1971 bal | 14 | 11 143 13.0 0 |
| 1972 sdg | 13 | 11 110 10.0 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 139 | 331 5236 15.8 38 |

Ozzie Newsome 3 time PB

1978 cle | 16 | 38 589 15.5 2 |
| 1979 cle | 16 | 55 781 14.2 9 |
| 1980 cle | 16 | 51 594 11.6 3 |
| 1981 cle | 16 | 69 1002 14.5 6 |
| 1982 cle | 9 | 49 633 12.9 3 |
| 1983 cle | 16 | 89 970 10.9 6 |
| 1984 cle | 16 | 89 1001 11.2 5 |
| 1985 cle | 16 | 62 711 11.5 5 |
| 1986 cle | 16 | 39 417 10.7 3 |
| 1987 cle | 13 | 34 375 11.0 0 |
| 1988 cle | 16 | 35 343 9.8 2 |
| 1989 cle | 16 | 29 324 11.2 1 |
| 1990 cle | 16 | 23 240 10.4 2 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 198 | 662 7980 12.1 47 |


Jackie Smith 5 time PB

1963 stl | 14 | 28 445 15.9 2 |
| 1964 stl | 14 | 47 657 14.0 4 |
| 1965 stl | 14 | 41 648 15.8 2 |
| 1966 stl | 14 | 45 810 18.0 3 |
| 1967 stl | 14 | 56 1205 21.5 9 |
| 1968 stl | 14 | 49 789 16.1 2 |
| 1969 stl | 14 | 43 561 13.0 1 |
| 1970 stl | 14 | 37 687 18.6 4 |
| 1971 stl | 9 | 21 379 18.0 4 |
| 1972 stl | 14 | 26 407 15.7 2 |
| 1973 stl | 14 | 41 600 14.6 1 |
| 1974 stl | 14 | 25 413 16.5 3 |
| 1975 stl | 9 | 13 246 18.9 2 |
| 1976 stl | 12 | 3 22 7.3 0 |
| 1977 stl | 14 | 5 49 9.8 1 |
| 1978 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 210 | 480 7918 16.5 40 |

Kellen Winslow 5 time PB

1979 sdg | 7 | 25 255 10.2 2 |
| 1980 sdg | 16 | 89 1290 14.5 9 |
| 1981 sdg | 16 | 88 1075 12.2 10 |
| 1982 sdg | 9 | 54 721 13.4 6 |
| 1983 sdg | 16 | 88 1172 13.3 8 |
| 1984 sdg | 7 | 55 663 12.1 2 |
| 1985 sdg | 10 | 25 318 12.7 0 |
| 1986 sdg | 16 | 64 728 11.4 5 |
| 1987 sdg | 12 | 53 519 9.8 3 |
+----------+-----+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 109 | 541 6741 12.5 45 |
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So, the debate begins...

Sharpe:
14 years - 202 games (avg 14.4 games year)
815 rec / 10,060 yds / 12.3 ypc / 62 TDs

3 - 1,000 yd+ seasons
8 - Pro Bowls
3 - Rings
Top 50 All-time Receivers
#9 - receptions
#21 - receiving yards
#45t - receiving TDs

Gonzo:
7 years - 110 games (avg 15.7 games year)
468 rec / 5,646 yds / 12.1 ypc / 47 TDs

1 - 1,000 yd+ season
5 - Pro Bowls
0 - Rings
Top 50 All-time Receivers
none

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Comparing their first 7 seasons, Gonzo has the edge ... which is expected considering when they were drafted and put into the game.

This is the time when injuries must be avoided for Gonzo if he is to surpass Sharpe in these statistical categories. If that happens, I have no issues with it. Records get broken.

If Gonzo plays another 7 years, he needs to average the following in order to surpass Sharpe:

Receptions - 50 per year for 7 years. On his current pace, that could very well happen, barring injuries.

Receiving Yards - 630 yds per year for 7 years. Again, that could very well happen.

TDs - Gonzo is 15 away and that will happen within the next 2-3 years.

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So, there you go. Right now, it's key for Gonzo to avoid injuries. He's only missed 2 career starts and he has been the leading receiver on the team for years... that's a heavy load he's carrying. So, the key now is for the team to take the pressure off Gonzo if he is to play at that level for another 7 years.
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The only thing I can guarantee (barring injury), is that Gonzalez will surpass Sharpe in Pro Bowls.
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The only thing I can guarantee (barring injury), is that Gonzalez will surpass Sharpe in Pro Bowls.
The Pro Bowl thing has really lost something the last few years - it's really a popularity contest. Not to mention, there's not a whole lot of competition at that position - really hasn't been since the days that Coates, Sharpe and Gonzo would garner the rights to go.

That's not to say that Gonzo hasn't deserved to go, he has ... but there has been a lack of quality Pro Bowl TEs the last decade in the AFC. It's been a 2-3 player race.
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