My take on the offense

NewChief · 09-20-2004, 06:59 AM

I'll try not to add too much negativity to the board, but here's what I saw.

*Playcalling/scheming is atrocious (except for first series): The first series was great. They were obviously keying on stopping Priest, so we went elsewhere. We were determined, in that series, to make them respect our passing game. We achieved success through play action, exploiting the fact that they were keyed in on Priest. After that series, things fell apart. We never seemed to have any balance or "rhythm" (I hate the word, but anyway). I know that execution is a big part of playcalling, but I still didn't like what I was seeing. It seemed like we were running plays in bursts. 3 passes, 3 runs, 3 passes, 3 runs. No mix and match. No keeping the defense guessing.

*WRs are bad. I know, I know, it's been said before by others more eloquent than me, but it's the truth. It was never so apparent than toward the end of the game, in the series that Trent scrambled 10 yards for the first down. In that series there were 4 dropped passes in a row. Johnny 1, Smith 2, Dante 1. Then Trent threw the pick.

*Trent's not seeing the entire field. Maybe it's because he doesn't have confidence in Smith (see previous point), but Trent seemed to be focusing solely on Gonzo and Morton (once Eddie was out). Throwing to Gonzo and Johnny in triple and double coverage (albeit at times with success) when Smith is clearly open isn't a good thing. Now, you all know that I'm the biggest Trent homer out there, but things are looking reminiscent of his first year here. I always maintained that his performance in that first year was due to lack of confidence in his receivers. For whatever reason, I'm seeing many of the same symptoms again.

*Pass protection was better than last week, but still bad.

*Priest needs the ball more. Yes, I know that they stuffed him quite a few times, but that's the way the running game works. You keep going back to it, and eventually you break one. Saunders has a tendency to get stuffed on a running play, then totally neglect it for a while. You gotta hammer it down the throat, repeatedly.

*Somethings wrong with the chemistry. My wife kept saying, "How could they be this much worse, when they're playing with basically the same people." In all honesty, I can't answer the question. All I can do is chalk it up to chemistry. Yes, I know that defenses have made adjustments. Yes, I know that people are better able to scheme for us. However, that still doesn't account for the fact that our Offense put 10 points on the board yesterday. Something's wrong with this offense, and it's intangible. The good news is that they still have the physical pieces in place to return to their high-output ways. The bad news is that fixing the intangibles isn't that easy.

**ShortRoundChief** · 09-20-2004, 07:09 AM

"*Playcalling/scheming is atrocious (except for first series): The first series was great. They were obviously keying on stopping Priest, so we went elsewhere. We were determined, in that series, to make them respect our passing game. We achieved success through play action, exploiting the fact that they were keyed in on Priest. After that series, things fell apart. We never seemed to have any balance or "rhythm" (I hate the word, but anyway). I know that execution is a big part of playcalling, but I still didn't like what I was seeing. It seemed like we were running plays in bursts. 3 passes, 3 runs, 3 passes, 3 runs. No mix and match. No keeping the defense guessing."

I can't agree with you more

**the Talking Can** · 09-20-2004, 07:25 AM

yeah, AS as been pretty bad....he runs it once, and then you jut know he's going to throw it 3 times in a row...

There are moments in the game when you just need a first down to calm things down and improve your field position, even if you punt....but he's always playing like a two-minute drill

homey · 09-20-2004, 07:40 AM

Trent starts slow every year. This team looks pretty bad right now, but I'm not giving up just yet.

MichaelH · 09-20-2004, 07:59 AM

I'm not giving up yet either. The real offense will emerge, hopefully soon. Now if we lose to the Texans this Sunday, my stand will completely turn. And the way we've played 2 weeks of football, it is entirely possible. I figured we might be 3-1 by the bye, there's a very good chance we'll be 0-4.

SBK · 09-20-2004, 08:04 AM

One thing I don't hear people saying, maybe Im missing it somewhere, but KC has played two fantastic defenses. You can't say that the offense has looked bad only because of themselves, Im sure those defenses had something to do with that too. Now lose to the Texans and I'd say big problems.....

NewChief · 09-20-2004, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortbuskid

One thing I don't hear people saying, maybe Im missing it somewhere, but KC has played two fantastic defenses. You can't say that the offense has looked bad only because of themselves, Im sure those defenses had something to do with that too. Now lose to the Texans and I'd say big problems.....

Yes, the Panthers are a great defense; however, they aren't quite the same D as last year. They shouldn't have given us quite as many problems as they did.

NewChief · 09-20-2004, 08:11 AM

Additional thought:

If we can start to gel and make it through the first part of the season with a decent record, I like our chances. Wilson should return to the lineup just as we start all of our second-half division play. While I don't think he will be a huge difference maker, I do believe that his presence will allow us to throw some new looks into our offense.

In fact, I wonder if some of Al's poor playcalling isn't a result of Wilson's loss. I don't want to put too much emphasis on his presence, but I think that Al had this shiny new toy that he was really excited to show off. When the toy got taken away, it put Al into a funk from which he hasn't completely recovered.

HC_Chief · 09-20-2004, 08:20 AM

I think people are putting WAY too much on Kris Wilson's shoulders. If Trent doesn't have confidence in his young wideouts, what makes you think he'll have confidence in the young TE?

And someone should point out that Wilson wasn't that big a difference maker in preseason.

Don't pin all of your hopes on the return of a rookie TE. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

NewChief · 09-20-2004, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

I think people are putting WAY too much on Kris Wilson's shoulders. If Trent doesn't have confidence in his young wideouts, what makes you think he'll have confidence in the young TE?

And someone should point out that Wilson wasn't that big a difference maker in preseason.

Don't pin all of your hopes on the return of a rookie TE. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

You're probably right, but I'm struggling for explanations and hope, here. Cut me a little slack.

09-20-2004, 06:59 AM	Topic Starter
NewChief In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR Casino cash: $7140204	My take on the offense I'll try not to add too much negativity to the board, but here's what I saw. Playcalling/scheming is atrocious (except for first series): The first series was great. They were obviously keying on stopping Priest, so we went elsewhere. We were determined, in that series, to make them respect our passing game. We achieved success through play action, exploiting the fact that they were keyed in on Priest. After that series, things fell apart. We never seemed to have any balance or "rhythm" (I hate the word, but anyway). I know that execution is a big part of playcalling, but I still didn't like what I was seeing. It seemed like we were running plays in bursts. 3 passes, 3 runs, 3 passes, 3 runs. No mix and match. No keeping the defense guessing. WRs are bad. I know, I know, it's been said before by others more eloquent than me, but it's the truth. It was never so apparent than toward the end of the game, in the series that Trent scrambled 10 yards for the first down. In that series there were 4 dropped passes in a row. Johnny 1, Smith 2, Dante 1. Then Trent threw the pick. Trent's not seeing the entire field. Maybe it's because he doesn't have confidence in Smith (see previous point), but Trent seemed to be focusing solely on Gonzo and Morton (once Eddie was out). Throwing to Gonzo and Johnny in triple and double coverage (albeit at times with success) when Smith is clearly open isn't a good thing. Now, you all know that I'm the biggest Trent homer out there, but things are looking reminiscent of his first year here. I always maintained that his performance in that first year was due to lack of confidence in his receivers. For whatever reason, I'm seeing many of the same symptoms again. Pass protection was better than last week, but still bad. Priest needs the ball more. Yes, I know that they stuffed him quite a few times, but that's the way the running game works. You keep going back to it, and eventually you break one. Saunders has a tendency to get stuffed on a running play, then totally neglect it for a while. You gotta hammer it down the throat, repeatedly. Somethings wrong with the chemistry. My wife kept saying, "How could they be this much worse, when they're playing with basically the same people." In all honesty, I can't answer the question. All I can do is chalk it up to chemistry. Yes, I know that defenses have made adjustments. Yes, I know that people are better able to scheme for us. However, that still doesn't account for the fact that our Offense put 10 points on the board yesterday. Something's wrong with this offense, and it's intangible. The good news is that they still have the physical pieces in place to return to their high-output ways. The bad news is that fixing the intangibles isn't that easy.
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09-20-2004, 07:09 AM	#2
ShortRoundChief Embrace the love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Joplin Casino cash: $4067192	"*Playcalling/scheming is atrocious (except for first series): The first series was great. They were obviously keying on stopping Priest, so we went elsewhere. We were determined, in that series, to make them respect our passing game. We achieved success through play action, exploiting the fact that they were keyed in on Priest. After that series, things fell apart. We never seemed to have any balance or "rhythm" (I hate the word, but anyway). I know that execution is a big part of playcalling, but I still didn't like what I was seeing. It seemed like we were running plays in bursts. 3 passes, 3 runs, 3 passes, 3 runs. No mix and match. No keeping the defense guessing." I can't agree with you more
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09-20-2004, 07:25 AM	#3
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9152208	yeah, AS as been pretty bad....he runs it once, and then you jut know he's going to throw it 3 times in a row... There are moments in the game when you just need a first down to calm things down and improve your field position, even if you punt....but he's always playing like a two-minute drill __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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09-20-2004, 07:40 AM	#4
homey Shot Caller Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $10004900	Trent starts slow every year. This team looks pretty bad right now, but I'm not giving up just yet.
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09-20-2004, 07:59 AM	#5
MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9192006	I'm not giving up yet either. The real offense will emerge, hopefully soon. Now if we lose to the Texans this Sunday, my stand will completely turn. And the way we've played 2 weeks of football, it is entirely possible. I figured we might be 3-1 by the bye, there's a very good chance we'll be 0-4.
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09-20-2004, 08:04 AM	#6
SBK Curry is the pick??? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $10004900	One thing I don't hear people saying, maybe Im missing it somewhere, but KC has played two fantastic defenses. You can't say that the offense has looked bad only because of themselves, Im sure those defenses had something to do with that too. Now lose to the Texans and I'd say big problems.....
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09-20-2004, 08:11 AM	#8
NewChief In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Fayetteville, AR Casino cash: $7140204	Additional thought: If we can start to gel and make it through the first part of the season with a decent record, I like our chances. Wilson should return to the lineup just as we start all of our second-half division play. While I don't think he will be a huge difference maker, I do believe that his presence will allow us to throw some new looks into our offense. In fact, I wonder if some of Al's poor playcalling isn't a result of Wilson's loss. I don't want to put too much emphasis on his presence, but I think that Al had this shiny new toy that he was really excited to show off. When the toy got taken away, it put Al into a funk from which he hasn't completely recovered. __________________ In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. - H. L. Mencken
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09-20-2004, 08:20 AM	#9
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	I think people are putting WAY too much on Kris Wilson's shoulders. If Trent doesn't have confidence in his young wideouts, what makes you think he'll have confidence in the young TE? And someone should point out that Wilson wasn't that big a difference maker in preseason. Don't pin all of your hopes on the return of a rookie TE. You're setting yourself up for disappointment. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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