Double-teamed or not, this is absolutely pathetic...

shaneo69 · 09-20-2004, 12:06 PM

from KCStar.com...

Defense T A Tot.
Beisel 10 2 12
Fujita 6 4 10
Barber 7 1 8
Browning 4 3 7
Woods 4 2 6
Warfield 5 0 5
Dalton 3 0 3
McCleon 2 0 2
Pile 2 0 2
Bartee 2 0 2
Siavii 2 0 2
Hicks 2 0 2
Allen 1 0 1
Wilkerson 1 0 1
Totals 51 12 63

Anybody see Sims on this list?

**ChiTown** · 09-20-2004, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

from KCStar.com...

Defense T A Tot.
Beisel 10 2 12
Fujita 6 4 10
Barber 7 1 8
Browning 4 3 7
Woods 4 2 6
Warfield 5 0 5
Dalton 3 0 3
McCleon 2 0 2
Pile 2 0 2
Bartee 2 0 2
Siavii 2 0 2
Hicks 2 0 2
Allen 1 0 1
Wilkerson 1 0 1
Totals 51 12 63

Anybody see Sims on this list?

Look, maybe you didn't hear. Sims was double teamed, dude. He's the only LDT in the history of the game to be DT'd. He took one for the team, and sacrificed his stats. He's worth his weight in gold, seriously.........

GoTrav · 09-20-2004, 12:13 PM

have a list of missed tackles?

Spicy McHaggis · 09-20-2004, 12:13 PM

He is? Man and all this time I thought he was an underachiever. I bet I was misled by all Whitlocks columns.

Cannibal · 09-20-2004, 12:14 PM

I made a point to watch his sorry ass quite often yesterday.

He sucked big dong all game long.

oldandslow · 09-20-2004, 12:22 PM

Damn...

Even tho I hate it, I have to give props to Big Sexy on this one.

Perhaps his vision is less biased than DV.

I really wish Minnesota had their crap together during that draft.....

shaneo69 · 09-20-2004, 12:26 PM

Meanwhile, freakin' John Henderson is starring for the team who last year was 2nd in the league against the run and just held Q. Griffin to 2.6 yards per carry. And they have no DE's either.

htismaqe · 09-20-2004, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Meanwhile, freakin' John Henderson is starring for the team who last year was 2nd in the league against the run and just held Q. Griffin to 2.6 yards per carry. And they have no DE's either.

Starring? Not hardly. He's a solid DT that plays next to one of the 5 best DT's in the game in Marcus Stroud. Sims has played next to John Browning, Eric Downing, and Lionel Dalton.

htismaqe · 09-20-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Look, maybe you didn't hear. Sims was double teamed, dude. He's the only LDT in the history of the game to be DT'd. He took one for the team, and sacrificed his stats. He's worth his weight in gold, seriously.........

Who said anything even remotely resembling that?

Nothing like exaggerating to the point of ridiculousness...

KC Jones · 09-20-2004, 12:21 PM

I'm not going to say Sims is bad or good, but you really can't read too much into tackling totals to determine whether or not someone played well. If a DT shut down his lane, collapsed the pocket, and kept O-linemen off of the LBs then he did his job. Maybe not at the level you want of a 6th overall pick, but that's generally what you want out of a DT. Now I can't really say that I remember much good from Sims yesterday, but I remember being much more dissapointed in McCleon and Barber.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-20-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

I'm not going to say Sims is bad or good, but you really can't read too much into tackling totals to determine whether or not someone played well. If a DT shut down his lane, collapsed the pocket, and kept O-linemen off of the LBs then he did his job. Maybe not at the level you want of a 6th overall pick, but that's generally what you want out of a DT. Now I can't really say that I remember much good from Sims yesterday, but I remember being much more dissapointed in McCleon and Barber.

When you give up 180 yards rushing in two games, then your defensive tackles aren't worth shit. They aren't doing their jobs if you're getting run all over.

KC Jones · 09-20-2004, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

When you give up 180 yards rushing in two games, then your defensive tackles aren't worth shit. They aren't doing their jobs if you're getting run all over.

Now that's a valid statistic to use for that argument. The tackling stats are not.

FWIW - I thought the defense played pretty stellar in the first half. It was that 9 minutes of hell drive in the 3rd quarter that blew it all to hell. After that they were dog tired and seemed to have lost their confidence. I'll add that they did a decent job of stopping the run in that drive, but on repeated 3rd and longs DelHomme picked us apart. I'm much more concered about our CBs and LBs than our DTs. Barber and Dex on the same side of the field was like having a double bonus for Carolina.

tonyetony · 09-20-2004, 12:32 PM

When you give up 180 yards rushing in two games, then your defensive tackles aren't worth shit. They aren't doing their jobs if you're getting run all over.

Not If They're doing it to the outside. Thats where the majority of rushing yards agaist us are coming from.

Mr. Laz · 09-20-2004, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

from KCStar.com...

Defense T A Tot.
Beisel 10 2 12

in his 2nd game as a MLB ...

not bad, i hope he continues to improve

tonyetony · 09-20-2004, 12:36 PM

Barber and Dex on the same side of the field was like having a double bonus for Carolina.

I agree completely! And those of you who don't, watch the game again like I did.

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shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Double-teamed or not, this is absolutely pathetic... from KCStar.com... Defense T A Tot. Beisel 10 2 12 Fujita 6 4 10 Barber 7 1 8 Browning 4 3 7 Woods 4 2 6 Warfield 5 0 5 Dalton 3 0 3 McCleon 2 0 2 Pile 2 0 2 Bartee 2 0 2 Siavii 2 0 2 Hicks 2 0 2 Allen 1 0 1 Wilkerson 1 0 1 Totals 51 12 63 Anybody see Sims on this list?
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shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Meanwhile, freakin' John Henderson is starring for the team who last year was 2nd in the league against the run and just held Q. Griffin to 2.6 yards per carry. And they have no DE's either.
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KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	I'm not going to say Sims is bad or good, but you really can't read too much into tackling totals to determine whether or not someone played well. If a DT shut down his lane, collapsed the pocket, and kept O-linemen off of the LBs then he did his job. Maybe not at the level you want of a 6th overall pick, but that's generally what you want out of a DT. Now I can't really say that I remember much good from Sims yesterday, but I remember being much more dissapointed in McCleon and Barber. __________________ re-sign: to sign again resign: to withdraw from employment
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tonyetony tonyetony Join Date: May 2001 Location: Yeah Right! Casino cash: $9977948	When you give up 180 yards rushing in two games, then your defensive tackles aren't worth shit. They aren't doing their jobs if you're getting run all over. Not If They're doing it to the outside. Thats where the majority of rushing yards agaist us are coming from.
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tonyetony tonyetony Join Date: May 2001 Location: Yeah Right! Casino cash: $9977948	Barber and Dex on the same side of the field was like having a double bonus for Carolina. I agree completely! And those of you who don't, watch the game again like I did.
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