National Media starts the bashing. It's Trent's fault now.

**BigRedChief** · 09-21-2004, 11:15 AM

From cbssportline:

Green hit eight of his first nine, then was 9 of 25 the rest of the way. For the second straight week he completed only half of his passes. For the second straight week he didn't have 200 yards in completions. For the second straight week he had no touchdowns.
You can look it up: In two weeks he's 23 of 66 for 361 yards, no TDs and two interceptions, and you want to know what's wrong with the defense?

The link:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7698339

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2004, 11:18 AM

33 of 66 actually, but still pretty bad.

7 drops in two games haven't helped, but Trent has not played well. You can throw in that 23-yard sack as a bonehead play too.

Taco John · 09-21-2004, 11:19 AM

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2004, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

Now you're just being mean. Green has started each of the last two seasons off slowly in the first month. He has a breakout game and then hits his stride for the rest of the season.

I don't think Roaf has lost anything, either. He had a fine game against Denver and got beat on a few plays against the Panthers. He WAS going up against Mike Rucker for crying out loud.

At least we know Trent Green is never going to throw any left-handed interceptions.

donkhater · 09-21-2004, 11:33 AM

Other than that sack in Denver, I don't think Trent's played badly. He could play better for sure, but he is what he is. With a good running game, O-Line and practice with his receivers, he'll play as well as anyone.

Unfourtunately, if Saunders doesn't call for Priest to get the ball, Welborn or Roaf struggle a bit in pass protection and no receiver other than Hall and an undrafted rookie is healthy for a whole month he will play poorly. I do think that is a surprise to anyone here.

Gaz · 09-21-2004, 11:37 AM

There are many factors contributing to our lack of Offense so far:
• [2] good Defenses [Denver & Carolina]. Houston does not have a Denver/Carolina-caliber Defense. A ray of hope for our struggling Offense.

• Decimated WR corps. We must find a way to get Hall and young Mr. Smith involved. Young and raw he may be, but Smith still has the speed we lose with Kennison out of the game.

• Disappointing efforts from Welbourn [game #1] & Roaf [game #2] [See item #1]. Welbourn was better in game #2. hopefully Roaf will be better in game #3.

• Questionable play-calling. Saunders was prone to being overly-tricky on occasion last season. After the first drive against Carolina, the play-calling disappointed me.

Except for the bonehead 23-yard sack he took against Denver, I cannot fault Green’s play all that much.

xoxo~
Gaz
Disressed to see so many independent variables in the equation.

KC Kings · 09-21-2004, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

• Decimated WR corps. We must find a way to get Hall and young Mr. Smith involved. Young and raw he may be, but Smith still has the speed we lose with Kennison out of the game.

You can tell who already bought the Star Wars DVD release. Gaz is starting to sound like Yoda.

Gaz · 09-21-2004, 03:47 PM

htismaqe summed it up in another thread, but I will repeat the salient points here.

Our Defense is new. No one should have expected them to dominate anyone right off the bat [if our roster allows them to dominate at all].

Even so, the Defense showed signs of improvement. The forced some punts, stopped several runs for negative yardage, got [2] turnovers and even returned one of them into a touchdown [which, by the way, matched the TD production of the “high-octane” Offense]. They are not as good now as they will be later in the season. The incremental improvement will continue. Certainly not as fast as we would like, but it would be foolish to expect anything else.

The Offense, on the other hand, has taken several giant steps backwards. It is essentially the same Offense that tore up the NFL last season. And yet they have done nothing [with the glaring exception of a heroic individual performance from Holes in week #1]. Ten points from the hottest Offense in the NFL? They repeatedly gave the ball to the Panthers, sending the Chiefs D back onto the field. No wonder the Carolina front four was fresh. They did not have to play all that much. Our O would run four or five plays and then give up the ball again. The Chiefs Offense ran a grand total of [4] plays in the entire 3rd quarter.

There is only one segment of the Chiefs team that hideously under-performed last Sunday. The Offense. Something is hard-broke there. That is where our concern should be.

xoxo~
Gaz
Putting the blame squarely where it belongs.

Sure-Oz · 09-21-2004, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

Yeah Jake plummer is such a stud as well, it would help if the WR's don't drop half the shit and get open. I think green will turn it around.

jspchief · 09-21-2004, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face.

Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows...

Oh please. Am I hearing a donkey fan talk about a QB showing their true self? Will the real Jake Plummer please stand up?

GreatBarryWordFire · 09-21-2004, 12:01 PM

Grossman had a mediocre day and won. Boller threw for 98 yards and won. Leftwich threw for 120 and won. Hasselbeck threw for 140 and won. Carson Palmer threw for less than 150 and won.

They're just looking for a new story. Green isn't far from the problem. No matter which way you slice it, it's still the defense.

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GreatBarryWordFire

Grossman had a mediocre day and won. Boller threw for 98 yards and won. Leftwich threw for 120 and won. Hasselbeck threw for 140 and won. Carson Palmer threw for less than 150 and won.

They're just looking for a new story. Green isn't far from the problem. No matter which way you slice it, it's still the defense.

None of those guys (except Hasselbeck) are expected to lead an offense to high-scoring days.

How many turnovers did those guys commit? Trent had two on Sunday.

Our defense wasn't really a problem until the fourth quarter. They damn near kept the offense in the game for three quarters.

philfree · 09-21-2004, 12:15 PM

Trent's not checking down as much. He's sticking with his 1st and 2nd reads to long and forcing the ball to the WRs. I think he'll snap out of it. This also not at all the game plan we were planning on using this year either. Bo and Wilson were gonna be huge in our O this year.

PhilFree

Gaz · 09-21-2004, 12:16 PM

Blaming the Defense for Sunday’s debacle is wrong, IMO.

The Defense gave the ball to the Offense several times. The Offense gave it right back to the Enemy. They did this enough times that the Defense broke down and finally collapsed entirely. Vermeil pointed out in his post-game conference that if you keep the D on the field that much, they are going to break down. The Offense kept the Defense on the field and the Defense broke down.

The Offense lost the game against Carolina.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sorry to report that the high-powered KC Offense ain’t so high-powered this season.

whoman69 · 09-21-2004, 05:32 PM

Not to start a Grbac comparison, but Trent isn't the one that can't get open and can't catch the ball once it gets there.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-761038 VARSITY	National Media starts the bashing. It's Trent's fault now. From cbssportline: Green hit eight of his first nine, then was 9 of 25 the rest of the way. For the second straight week he completed only half of his passes. For the second straight week he didn't have 200 yards in completions. For the second straight week he had no touchdowns. You can look it up: In two weeks he's 23 of 66 for 361 yards, no TDs and two interceptions, and you want to know what's wrong with the defense? The link: http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7698339
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09-21-2004, 11:18 AM	#2
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $830478	33 of 66 actually, but still pretty bad. 7 drops in two games haven't helped, but Trent has not played well. You can throw in that 23-yard sack as a bonehead play too. __________________ Chiefs game films
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09-21-2004, 11:19 AM	#3
Taco John Sapere Aude Join Date: Jun 2001 Casino cash: $457937	It was only a matter of time before the real Green started showing his true face. Unfortunately, your offensive line is no longer looking like the best in football. It appears that Roaf is slow off the blocks, and Welbourn is a virnstile with elbows... __________________ Ehyeh asher ehyeh. Donger's Razor: "The most establishment-friendly explanation that gives leftist and neocon politicians the most amount of cover is the only possible explanation, even when gaping holes and leaps of logic are required to get there."
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09-21-2004, 11:33 AM	#5
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	Other than that sack in Denver, I don't think Trent's played badly. He could play better for sure, but he is what he is. With a good running game, O-Line and practice with his receivers, he'll play as well as anyone. Unfourtunately, if Saunders doesn't call for Priest to get the ball, Welborn or Roaf struggle a bit in pass protection and no receiver other than Hall and an undrafted rookie is healthy for a whole month he will play poorly. I do think that is a surprise to anyone here. __________________ The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
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09-21-2004, 11:37 AM	#6
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	The magical disappearing Offense... There are many factors contributing to our lack of Offense so far: • [2] good Defenses [Denver & Carolina]. Houston does not have a Denver/Carolina-caliber Defense. A ray of hope for our struggling Offense. • Decimated WR corps. We must find a way to get Hall and young Mr. Smith involved. Young and raw he may be, but Smith still has the speed we lose with Kennison out of the game. • Disappointing efforts from Welbourn [game #1] & Roaf [game #2] [See item #1]. Welbourn was better in game #2. hopefully Roaf will be better in game #3. • Questionable play-calling. Saunders was prone to being overly-tricky on occasion last season. After the first drive against Carolina, the play-calling disappointed me. Except for the bonehead 23-yard sack he took against Denver, I cannot fault Green’s play all that much. xoxo~ Gaz Disressed to see so many independent variables in the equation.
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09-21-2004, 03:47 PM	#8
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	WilliamTheIrish- htismaqe summed it up in another thread, but I will repeat the salient points here. Our Defense is new. No one should have expected them to dominate anyone right off the bat [if our roster allows them to dominate at all]. Even so, the Defense showed signs of improvement. The forced some punts, stopped several runs for negative yardage, got [2] turnovers and even returned one of them into a touchdown [which, by the way, matched the TD production of the “high-octane” Offense]. They are not as good now as they will be later in the season. The incremental improvement will continue. Certainly not as fast as we would like, but it would be foolish to expect anything else. The Offense, on the other hand, has taken several giant steps backwards. It is essentially the same Offense that tore up the NFL last season. And yet they have done nothing [with the glaring exception of a heroic individual performance from Holes in week #1]. Ten points from the hottest Offense in the NFL? They repeatedly gave the ball to the Panthers, sending the Chiefs D back onto the field. No wonder the Carolina front four was fresh. They did not have to play all that much. Our O would run four or five plays and then give up the ball again. The Chiefs Offense ran a grand total of [4] plays in the entire 3rd quarter. There is only one segment of the Chiefs team that hideously under-performed last Sunday. The Offense. Something is hard-broke there. That is where our concern should be. xoxo~ Gaz Putting the blame squarely where it belongs.
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GreatBarryWordFire Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Grossman had a mediocre day and won. Boller threw for 98 yards and won. Leftwich threw for 120 and won. Hasselbeck threw for 140 and won. Carson Palmer threw for less than 150 and won. They're just looking for a new story. Green isn't far from the problem. No matter which way you slice it, it's still the defense.
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2183802	Trent's not checking down as much. He's sticking with his 1st and 2nd reads to long and forcing the ball to the WRs. I think he'll snap out of it. This also not at all the game plan we were planning on using this year either. Bo and Wilson were gonna be huge in our O this year. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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09-21-2004, 12:16 PM	#14
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Wrong side of the ball... Blaming the Defense for Sunday’s debacle is wrong, IMO. The Defense gave the ball to the Offense several times. The Offense gave it right back to the Enemy. They did this enough times that the Defense broke down and finally collapsed entirely. Vermeil pointed out in his post-game conference that if you keep the D on the field that much, they are going to break down. The Offense kept the Defense on the field and the Defense broke down. The Offense lost the game against Carolina. xoxo~ Gaz Sorry to report that the high-powered KC Offense ain’t so high-powered this season.
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