Who do you MOST blame for the team's issues?

[DaFace]

Do we need another thread to gripe about last night? Of course we do! So here's one more.

Pick an option or add your own.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

I am not really seeing it either. I guess I defer to those here that seem to study or focus on offensive line play more than I do, but they don't look really good to me.

IMOP the IOL looks great. The tackles...not so much

[mr. tegu]

I know the defense is bad but I still can’t just forget the offense is the ultimate reason we lost the first two games with a good case for this last loss as well.

Obviously the end of the Ravens game included a bad INT but even worse the ridiculous end of game management and fumble. That was completely self inflicted. Now they gave up some plays in that game (1st & 24 to a TD) and yards but also scored 7 points. At the end of it all though we were in a golden position. If we could sign up for that situation at the end of the super bowl we do that right now.

And how different does the defensive effort look if we are up 17-3 on the Chargers instead of all the consecutive turnovers putting us in a hole? Just bad complimentary football and the lackadaisical attitude showing through on offense.

Second half of Bills game after getting shredded we adjusted and forced three straight three and outs and give up no points. And what happens? We are actual MINUS 7 points after those possessions by each team.

Clearly the defense is playing bad but we have made our bed on being an offensive team and the offense at all levels from players to coaching has repeatedly failed in critical moments in each loss. Let’s not forget against the Browns we couldn’t get a first down at the end to ice the game.

If the offense was playing the way they can and honestly should be based on moving the ball at will we would be at minimum 4-1 and waiting on the defense to continue getting better and getting lighter competition to improve their numbers.

[Iconic]

Coaching staff. Problem is systemic more than anything else. It's not like we downgraded substantially with regards to talent from the past two years. Guys simply do not look prepared at all, it's a lot of new faces on the team and besides them needing time to adjust they also need the right support to get there.

Talent is really not the story here, there's plenty of shitter teams in the NFL putting together better games than us. It's a story of execution, especially on offense. We were made to be an offensive threat and haven't been thus far at all.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Coaching staff. Problem is systemic more than anything else. It's not like we downgraded substantially with regards to talent from the past two years. Guys simply do not look prepared at all, it's a lot of new faces on the team and besides them needing time to adjust they also need the right support to get there.

Talent is really not the story here, there's plenty of shitter teams in the NFL putting together better games than us. It's a story of execution, especially on offense. We were made to be an offensive threat and haven't been thus far at all.

Wtf are you talking about?

Did the coaching staff throw a bunch of INTs or fumble the ball multiple times?

Instead of going on a multi-paragraph rant, I'll just leave this here: at some point in the real world an individual has to be responsible for their own actions. Andy/Spags/EB/whoever can only do so much to get their players ready for a game. It's ultimately up to the players to prepare themselves and execute the gameplan, whatever it is. Overthrows, INTs, fumbles, miscommunications, etc. are directly attributable to the players themselves.

They should all take a long look in the mirror. Most of them, Mahomes, Hill and Kelce included, have not played up to their abilities. It's on them and all the other players (with the exception of the IOL and ST for the most part) to own their failings and just simply do ****ing better.

Sooner rather than later would be nice.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Wtf are you talking about?

Did the coaching staff throw a bunch of INTs or fumble the ball multiple times?

Instead of going on a multi-paragraph rant, I'll just leave this here: at some point in the real world an individual has to be responsible for their own actions. Andy/Spags/EB/whoever can only do so much to get their players ready for a game. It's ultimately up to the players to prepare themselves and execute the gameplan, whatever it is. Overthrows, INTs, fumbles, miscommunications, etc. are directly attributable to the players themselves.

They should all take a long look in the mirror. Most of them, Mahomes, Hill and Kelce included, have not played up to their abilities. It's on them and all the other players (with the exception of the IOL and ST for the most part) to own their failings and just simply do ****ing better.

Sooner rather than later would be nice.

I can kind of see your point, but at the professional level, this suggests that coaching is utterly irrelevant, . . . like completely.

I mean, these are professional athletes who have played every day of their life at a high level. Why on earth do they need some fat lard on the sidelines to tell them how to play?

More accurately though, coaches and FO perform tasks just as vital as play on the field, just not as visible. Cohesion, mentality, discipline, philosophy, demeanor, preparedness, etc.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I can kind of see your point, but at the professional level, this suggests that coaching is utterly irrelevant, . . . like completely.

I mean, these are professional athletes who have played every day of their life at a high level. Why on earth do they need some fat lard on the sidelines to tell them how to play?

More accurately though, coaches and FO perform tasks just as vital as play on the field, just not as visible. Cohesion, mentality, discipline, philosophy, demeanor, preparedness, etc.

Why does everything have to be an absolute with you people? Can there really not be levels or shades or layers or meaning?

Look, coaches are responsible for many things, including to a certain extent off-the-field matters. But execution on gameday is a player thing, not a coach thing. Coaches install schemes and gameplans, tweak and refine issues for players, things like that.

But when players don't execute, when they play sloppy, or just damned stupid, that's on them. And it should be. I mean i get the whole "the captain is responsible for the actions o his crew," hell, that's exactly the life I live in aviation, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Last thing anyone wants is for the legal 'experts' and the bean counters (or God forbid the HR people) to have any real say in what happens in my airplane.

But players should be held accountable if and when they shit the bed on gameday.

To wit, the defense has been terrible, but the players need to communicate better and adjust when the other team tries to outpace them. Coaches can help with that through their experience and football acumen, but the players have to commit themselves to rectifying those issues.

And the offense simply must secure the ball much better. It won't mean a tinker's damn if the defense wakes up and plays like they did the last 9 weeks of 2019 (and the first 8 weeks or so of 2020) if the offense gives the ball away 2.2 times a game.

And have you seen Spags? He's hardly a tub of lard.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Wtf are you talking about?

Did the coaching staff throw a bunch of INTs or fumble the ball multiple times?

Instead of going on a multi-paragraph rant, I'll just leave this here: at some point in the real world an individual has to be responsible for their own actions. Andy/Spags/EB/whoever can only do so much to get their players ready for a game. It's ultimately up to the players to prepare themselves and execute the gameplan, whatever it is. Overthrows, INTs, fumbles, miscommunications, etc. are directly attributable to the players themselves.

They should all take a long look in the mirror. Most of them, Mahomes, Hill and Kelce included, have not played up to their abilities. It's on them and all the other players (with the exception of the IOL and ST for the most part) to own their failings and just simply do ****ing better.

Sooner rather than later would be nice.

I think there's a lot to be said for "the mentals." something is off. I think the locker room is really challenged because Clark and mathieu are distracted.

Its kind of a perfect storm of distraction...
Britt reid
Clark's dui
Mathieu contract dispute
Mahomes first child
Andy Reid's health
Willie gay and CEH getting down on themselves

Our defense lacks leadership. Clark's minds elsewhere. HB is finger pointing. Even mahomes seems frustrated with his receivers running wrong routes. And how long before tyreek gets sick of double coverage. And how long can kelce endure getting clobbered in coverage.

For a team that hasn't seen adversity for a while behind a coach who is undoubtedly distracted as well.

This team isn't just playing sloppy. There just seems like a noticeable lack of fire. We know Reid will eventually turn it around. But the mental stuff on defense will be a hard thing to shake.

[Baby Lee]

Point is, while ACTUAL execution on game day is largely a function of individual performance, . . EXPECTATIONS of and PREPARATION for execution on game day is the domain of coaching.

[Imon Yourside]

Team hasn't been the same since we lost Colquitt

[Halfcan]

I can't believe so many voted Mahomes.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I would say it’s evidence that the QBR stat is flawed. He has looked pretty shaky overall this year. Guess we will see if he can get into a better groove over the coming weeks.

This is nonsense. He has had a few bad passes. Prior to last night his completion % was 5% above his career average with his second best YPA.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I can't believe so many voted Mahomes.

It’s dumb people who think Mahomes has to win every game himself doing hero shit or else he sucks.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is nonsense. He has had a few bad passes. Prior to last night his completion % was 5% above his career average with his second best YPA.

Most of the time I'd agree with this statement. But it's not just the bad passes. Mahomes is not reading the field well for stretches. Simms on PFT analyzed a few plays last week (from week 3) where Mahomes doesn't even look at one side of the field (where guys were WIDE OPEN in the EZ), or just holds the ball with a guy open, with room to run ahead of him (presumably to air it out downfield instead).

He's off. Call it trying too hard to play hero ball, uncomfortable in the pocket, whatever you want. Not going to bring that up here. But he's not right, and he needs to figure it out soon.

[JakeF]

Entire team lacks discipline, intensity, and focus.

You can have lousy players, but still give 100%, be focused and know your assignments. Even when we win, we are sloppy. Mahomes has never fixed his basics. Reid talked about working on his footwork etc when he came out of college, never happened. Mahomes has been sandlot the entire time.

I'm NOT blaming Mahomes.

I'm just saying that our coaches have not instilled any real discipline on this team. It shows in every game. Our defense lacks commitment and it shows.

I'm sorry, but the core of the problem is our coaching staff. Every team takes after its head coach. This team is just like Andy Reid.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Most of the time I'd agree with this statement. But it's not just the bad passes. Mahomes is not reading the field well for stretches. Simms on PFT analyzed a few plays last week (from week 3) where Mahomes doesn't even look at one side of the field (where guys were WIDE OPEN in the EZ), or just holds the ball with a guy open, with room to run ahead of him (presumably to air it out downfield instead).

He's off. Call it trying too hard to play hero ball, uncomfortable in the pocket, whatever you want. Not going to bring that up here. But he's not right, and he needs to figure it out soon.

I’ve been talking about the apparent lack of reading the field for a few weeks as well. He’s just bailing the pocket too quick at times or other times I think he’s expecting things to be open and determining where he’s going more than he should. Just doesn’t look comfortable sitting in the pocket for longer than a few seconds consistently right now.