Chiefs The QB Reid chooses to lead the Chiefs - Page 18

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-05-2013, 06:02 AM

Let's try this again. I will only be happy if Reid chooses...

Poll forthcoming.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

That's insane. The combine and pro days will help sort out the QBs, but they're not going to affirm them.

This draft isn't the 2000 draft when the only QB taken was Chad Pennington late in the 1st. It's not as good as 2012, either. And I don't think it's as good as 2004, either.

It IS, however, better than 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005, though.

That's pretty ****ing positive. These QBs are going to ****ing fly off the board. Expect at least 4 gone in the first round, with at least two in the top 10.

You may be right that they'll fly off the board.

You may be wrong in terms of their quality.

Chiefshrink · 01-05-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Dude, the Chiefs were drafting for this mythical "value" you crave when they took Sims and Dorsey. They were absolutely worth those picks. Those guys were thought to be studs, and more than worth top 10 picks.

And when have the Chiefs ever reached for a valuable position?

There's a huge difference between QB and 5-technique DT.

I can't believe you're making this argument.

Because he is a dumb motherf**ker

EagleRob · 01-05-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

5M a year is not a significant financial investment.

JD, I'm giving some insight on how Reid approaches his drafts - I've lived them for 14 years. I don't get too much into the $$ value of the slots. Don't care too much about that aspect. What is important is the value of the 1/1 in terms of what it means to the team from a perception and image perspective. Does he maximize the value of a difference maker or trade down to stretch it into multiple high quality players. That is the question as I see it. I dont see a Reid QB on the board this year.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-05-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

That's insane. The combine and pro days will help sort out the QBs, but they're not going to affirm them.

This draft isn't the 2000 draft when the only QB taken was Chad Pennington late in the 1st. It's not as good as 2012, either. And I don't think it's as good as 2004, either.

It IS, however, better than 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005, though.

That's pretty ****ing positive. These QBs are going to ****ing fly off the board. Expect at least 4 gone in the first round, with at least two in the top 10.

I think you'll see two in the top 5. You could see 5-6 QB's go in the first round. Bare minimum of 4. Smith, Wilson, Glennon, Murray, Bray, and Barkley could all go in the 1st round. If the kid from Clemson declares, who knows? This is a pretty good QB class this year, despite what the pundits say IMO.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I don't expect a 1st rounder to do shit until their 3rd year. I expect some learning curves. Locker is flashing, Gabbert is not doing shit, and I don't know enough about Ponder. Newton, Luck, RGIII, and Wilson may be the new norm, but I think they're the exception. That said, Newton had some struggles this year. We'll see if RGIII, and Luck have some 2nd year slumps of their own.

Wow, really? Man, not me. I expect the #1 overall QB to start from Day One and kick ****ing ass. If not, I'll be very, very disappointed.

When Andy Dalton, RGIII, Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck can lead their teams to the playoffs their rookie seasons, that's the new norm, IMO.

Personally, I'm sick of the Chiefs choosing guys that take years to develop, if ever.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Because he is a dumb motherf**ker

Shut the **** up.

You know less about football than you do psychology, which is shocking in and of itself, Dumbass.

jd1020 · 01-05-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

When Andy Dalton, RGIII, Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck can lead their teams to the playoffs their rookie seasons, that's the new norm, IMO.

One of these names is not like the others.

O.city · 01-05-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sure you know what sucks? It's that the Chiefs just had to get the number one overall pick in a year in which an Andrew Luck or RGIII or even Cam Newton and Matt Ryan aren't available.

That is insanely frustrating to me.

I hope you're right. I just hope that QB wouldn't be equivalent to a 3rd rounder (i.e. Foles) or a 4th rounder (Cousins) in previous years.

Meh, there are a couple guys in this class that are every bit the prospect Ryan and Cam were.

Smith, Wilson, and Barkley are all good prospects.

O.city · 01-05-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Wow, really? Man, not me. I expect the #1 overall QB to start from Day One and kick ****ing ass. If not, I'll be very, very disappointed.

When Andy Dalton, RGIII, Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck can lead their teams to the playoffs their rookie seasons, that's the new norm, IMO.

Personally, I'm sick of the Chiefs choosing guys that take years to develop, if ever.

I think we all will.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Meh, there are a couple guys in this class that are every bit the prospect Ryan and Cam were.

Smith, Wilson, and Barkley are all good prospects.

I liked Barkley quite a bit heading into the 2012 season but he definitely reverted. Is he the guy from 2011 or the guy from 2012?

Wilson's team fell apart due to Petrino. There are some minor character questions. As I've said repeatedly, every time I've seen Smith, he was far less than impressive.

Outside of this particular football forum, I can find no general consensus on any of the above players in regards to who is best suited for the NFL, let alone the #1 overall pick.

I hope that The Combines provide more insight and guys to begin to separate but there's no guarantee.

**the Talking Can** · 01-05-2013, 05:41 PM

do chiefs fans ever get tired of coming up with reasons to not draft a QB?

jesus...y'all are the biggest collection of pussies imaginable...

"oh noes...i only watched one football game all year and i didn't see joe montana...whatever will we do, pa?"

"draft a mediocre lineman, son....or maybe a linebacker...for reasons not explained in the bible, that's not risky..."

**DeezNutz** · 01-05-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I liked Barkley quite a bit heading into the 2012 season but he definitely reverted. Is he the guy from 2011 or the guy from 2012?

Wilson's team fell apart due to Petrino. There are some minor character questions. As I've said repeatedly, every time I've seen Smith, he was far less than impressive.

Outside of this particular football forum, I can find no general consensus on any of the above players in regards to who is best suited for the NFL, let alone the #1 overall pick.

I hope that The Combines provide more insight and guys to begin to separate but there's no guarantee.

There isn't a viable alternative outside of the draft. Do you want to give up a pick or two for Alex Smith? What is a team really capable of with him at the helm?

O.city · 01-05-2013, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I liked Barkley quite a bit heading into the 2012 season but he definitely reverted. Is he the guy from 2011 or the guy from 2012?

Wilson's team fell apart due to Petrino. There are some minor character questions. As I've said repeatedly, every time I've seen Smith, he was far less than impressive.

Outside of this particular football forum, I can find no general consensus on any of the above players in regards to who is best suited for the NFL, let alone the #1 overall pick.

I hope that The Combines provide more insight and guys to begin to separate but there's no guarantee.

I like Barkley alot more than some here, I think peopl here have picked a guy and are fighting for him, which is fine.

I think its gonna be alot about Reid's system. Barkley, Wilson, or Smith fit in it pretty good.

Look at RGIII. He's in the absolute perfect system for his style, same with R. Wilson.

Marcellus · 01-05-2013, 05:47 PM

From what I have heard if Chip Kelly lands in Philly then Vick stays because he can run the zone read option and Foles would be on the market because he can't.

You do the math from there.

Not too exciting since its the same pattern we seem to always follow.

**the Talking Can** · 01-05-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

From what I have heard if Chip Kelly lands in Philly then Vick stays because he can run the zone read option and Foles would be on the market because he can't.

You do the math from there.

Not too exciting since its the same pattern we seem to always follow.

fml

View Poll Results: I will only be happy if Andy Reid selects...
A QB with the 1st pick of the draft	167	48.69%
Trades back and selects a QB in the 1st round	39	11.37%
A QB in the 2nd round of the draft	17	4.96%
A QB in the mid to late rounds of the draft	2	0.58%
A free agent, or trade from another team at QB	10	2.92%
Michael Vick	7	2.04%
Kevin Kolb	2	0.58%
He's Andy ****ing Reid. He knows more than I do. Whoever he takes, I'm good.	94	27.41%
Gaz loves defense, but I want him to select our QB	5	1.46%
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-507338	From what I have heard if Chip Kelly lands in Philly then Vick stays because he can run the zone read option and Foles would be on the market because he can't. You do the math from there. Not too exciting since its the same pattern we seem to always follow.
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