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**Tribal Warfare** · 09-24-2013, 01:16 PM

Chiefs’ Eric Fisher determined to bounce back after miserable half at Philadelphia
By TEREZ A. PAYLOR
The Kansas City Star
By the time the first half of the Chiefs’ 26-16 win over Philadelphia was over Thursday, you could understand if Eric Fisher was a little discouraged.

Sure, the Chiefs led by 10 points. But but Fisher, the rookie right tackle who was taken No. 1 overall in April’s NFL Draft, committed one holding penalty and was beaten for a sack and two hurries by Eagles linebacker Connor Barwin and defensive end Fletcher Cox in 22 first-half passing attempts by quarterback Alex Smith.

It was, perhaps, the worst half of Fisher’s three-game professional career. Pro Football Focus, which grades every NFL player in every game, assigned Fisher a three-game grade of minus-6.7, which ranks worst on the Chiefs and and 52nd out of 55 NFL tackles who have played 75 percent of their team’s snaps.

Fisher, however, is hardly the only highly touted rookie tackle dealing with a learning curve. Pro Football Focus has also assigned negative grades to the four other right tackles drafted in the first round: Jacksonville’s Luke Joeckel ranks 36th at minus-1.9 and Philadelphia’s Lane Johnson and the New York Giants’ Justin Pugh are tied for 48th at minus-5.2. San Diego’s D.J. Fluker has only played two games due to a concussion, but checks in at minus-1.4.

“It’s been tough mentally, physically, emotionally,” Fisher said of his adjustment to the NFL. “You’ve just got to keep your composure. There’s a lot that comes with this game and you roll with the punches.”

Fortunately for the Chiefs, Fisher seemed to do just that in the second half against the Eagles. He was called for one more penalty — a hold on Cox during a running play — but didn’t allow another sack, hit or hurry in 13 pass attempts. He was also a part of an offensive line that helped the Chiefs rush for 98 yards in 21 carries during the second half, effectively putting the Eagles away.

Chiefs coach Andy Reid lauded Fisher, 22, for hanging tough and showing flashes, despite his somewhat uneven transition from left to right tackle.

“I appreciate his effort out here,” Reid said. “He’s just trying to do everything the right way and he battles. Sometimes he gets in awkward positions, and he has the athletic ability and fights his way out of it. It’s not the prettiest picture, but it ends up being a productive play and I appreciate that from him. That you can work with as a coach.”

Reid said the Chiefs will also be able to bulk up Fisher’s 6-foot-7, 306-pound frame.

“Normally they put on about 10 pounds by the time you get to the next season, and he’ll do that,” Reid said, “He has a big frame that he can add some weight to. He’ll get in the weight room with Barry (Rubin) and he’ll have a whole year to do that part.”

Reid, however, stopped short of saying the extra strength alone would rectify some of the negative plays Fisher has made.

“I don’t think it’s all that,” Reid said. “Some of it is just he wants to go attack, which is a good thing — you’d rather have it that way than the other way — he wants to go attack and he’ll over settle, but he’ll learn just to kind of calm himself down a little bit.”

Guard Geoff Schwartz also noted that Fisher has been targeted because of his draft status and the presence of established veteran Branden Albert on the opposite side.

“You’ve got to think, the Eagles and any other team, really, they’re gonna come after that guy,” said Schwartz, a six-year veteran. “Are they gonna come after B.A., or are they come after Fish? They’re gonna come after the young cat. So, that’s the way it is. He knows that, we know that.”

Fisher still managed to make a few impressive plays Thursday. He had a textbook reach block that sprung running back Jamaal Charles for a 3-yard score in the second half, and also drove a linebacker 12 yards downfield on another second-half run.

“There’s definitely different things you see in there that give you hope,” Schwartz said. “Really, some of his issues have been pass blocking and that just comes with time, knowing space, knowing angles, stuff like that. There’s no worry … we’re 3-0.”

Second-year tackle Donald Stephenson hopes the Chiefs’ overall record helps Fisher shrug off his individual defeats, which he found to be the key for surviving as a rookie.

“Because you know it’s going to happen,” said Stephenson, who played in 16 games and started seven last season. “The first thing the vets told me was it’s not college — you’re going to get your butt whupped, sometimes. It’s how you handle it and how you respond. That’s what I tried to do, I just kept my head up and brought it the next game, next play.”

Stephenson and Schwartz said that’s exactly what Fisher has done, as well.

“Everybody struggles that rookie year, and he’s handling it pretty good,” Stephenson said. “He’s always in here working on days off, watching extra film … he’s already acting like a vet. That’s going to pay off for him. The effort is there.”

Fisher seems to understand that for most, the journey toward becoming a good NFL player is not an easy process.

“Everyone makes mistakes in this game,” Fisher said. “I look at the film, I look at my assignments and I learn from those mistakes and do my best to not make them again.

“Everyday, I’m going to be a stronger player.”

Red Gorilla · 09-24-2013, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise

I liked what someone posted in another thread:

Re: Fisher - "NO MORE EXCUSES!"
Re: Geno Smith - "He's just a rookie!"

No kidding....

Pablo · 09-24-2013, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hope? Sure.

But the #1 overall guy should be in beast mode from Day One, not need a year in the weight room, learning technique, etc.

Agreed. If not in beast mode; at least showing flashing of dominance.

We've seen the exact opposite so far.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-24-2013, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

His only pick to play much this year so far is fisher. Dunno if that's good or bad.

When the Chiefs are need of a solid starting TE and will likely need more CB's/Safeties later in the season, I don't think it can be classified as "good".

And Knile Davis needs to go to the Tiki Barber School of Fumbling.

Hammock Parties · 09-24-2013, 05:40 PM

I'd like to think he just needs time because of the position switch, but it looks to me like he can't physically handle some of these guys. He's getting whipped. He doesn't look strong at all.

If the Chiefs get into playoff run mode you wonder how long it takes before they want to put in Stephenson or Schwartz, who is a solid RT, to avoid disastrous results on key passing downs.

Eleazar · 09-24-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Yeah, that argument never gets flipped around.

Welcome to CP.

noob

O.city · 09-24-2013, 05:41 PM

What makes it worse, is that we took a Player first overall in the draft, and immediately changed his position.

IMO, that's not smart.

O.city · 09-24-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

When the Chiefs are need of a solid starting TE and will likely need more CB's/Safeties later in the season, I don't think it can be classified as "good".

And Knile Davis needs to go to the Tiki Barber School of Fumbling.

Why would we need more safeties?

The upgraded the te spot, it just appears they did it with glass

Pablo · 09-24-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

What makes it worse, is that we took a Player first overall in the draft, and immediately changed his position.

IMO, that's not smart.

We could have shipped off Albert per Dorsey's master plan and had Fisher at LT.

I'm sure that would be even uglier so far. Be glad he's playing RT for the sake of Alex's spine.

lcarus · 09-24-2013, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

When the Chiefs are need of a solid starting TE and will likely need more CB's/Safeties later in the season, I don't think it can be classified as "good".

And Knile Davis needs to go to the Tiki Barber School of Fumbling.

Remember just a month or so ago? Knile Davis: "I vow I shall never fumble again!"

That didn't take long for him to look dumb for saying that...

lcarus · 09-24-2013, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020

Will it matter if he does? Nope.

Terrible position to pick to improve your team, especially at #1. Look for someone who can block in the middle rounds.

A left tackle is pretty damn important to any offense. Which is what we originally thought he would be playing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-24-2013, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Why would we need more safeties?

The upgraded the te spot, it just appears they did it with glass

Because Kendrick Lewis has shown the unique ability to get injured on fluke plays and miss stretches of games at a time.

My hope is that Sanders Commings comes off of short term IR and steals the starting spot.

Also, two tight end sets with competent players would be preferable to one guy off the streets.

okcchief · 09-24-2013, 05:44 PM

This was a pretty rough draft. Fisher has talent, and he will improve over time I'm sure. Dont think he'll end up being the best player in the draft unfortunately.

O.city · 09-24-2013, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo

We could have shipped off Albert per Dorsey's master plan and had Fisher at LT.

I'm sure that would be even uglier so far. Be glad he's playing RT for the sake of Alex's spine.

I dunno, at least he had played lt. I don't think it's any coincidence that all the lts taken and moved to rt are struggling mightily

**notorious** · 09-24-2013, 05:46 PM

He should be good by the middle/end of the season, and turn into a Pro-Bowler by year 2.

That's how much time I am giving him before I go nuclear.

**RealSNR** · 09-24-2013, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise

I liked what someone posted in another thread:

Re: Fisher - "NO MORE EXCUSES!"
Re: Geno Smith - "He's just a rookie!"

What Pablo said- it isn't like that argument never gets flipped around.

Oh, and there's that other thing. Where Geno Smith is a ****ing QB and Eric Fisher is not. The learning curve is astoundingly higher for the QB than the RT.

And no, before you accuse me of calling Eric Fisher a bust, he's not a bust yet. He's still got time to turn this shit around. I've been saying exactly what Reid was quoted in the article-- a full offseason in the NFL training program will likely do wonders for Fisher.

If he's still sucking wastewater at this time next year though, THEN we have a problem.

09-24-2013, 01:16 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3007187	Chiefs’ Eric Fisher determined to bounce back after miserable half at Philadelphia Chiefs’ Eric Fisher determined to bounce back after miserable half at Philadelphia By TEREZ A. PAYLOR The Kansas City Star By the time the first half of the Chiefs’ 26-16 win over Philadelphia was over Thursday, you could understand if Eric Fisher was a little discouraged. Sure, the Chiefs led by 10 points. But but Fisher, the rookie right tackle who was taken No. 1 overall in April’s NFL Draft, committed one holding penalty and was beaten for a sack and two hurries by Eagles linebacker Connor Barwin and defensive end Fletcher Cox in 22 first-half passing attempts by quarterback Alex Smith. It was, perhaps, the worst half of Fisher’s three-game professional career. Pro Football Focus, which grades every NFL player in every game, assigned Fisher a three-game grade of minus-6.7, which ranks worst on the Chiefs and and 52nd out of 55 NFL tackles who have played 75 percent of their team’s snaps. Fisher, however, is hardly the only highly touted rookie tackle dealing with a learning curve. Pro Football Focus has also assigned negative grades to the four other right tackles drafted in the first round: Jacksonville’s Luke Joeckel ranks 36th at minus-1.9 and Philadelphia’s Lane Johnson and the New York Giants’ Justin Pugh are tied for 48th at minus-5.2. San Diego’s D.J. Fluker has only played two games due to a concussion, but checks in at minus-1.4. “It’s been tough mentally, physically, emotionally,” Fisher said of his adjustment to the NFL. “You’ve just got to keep your composure. There’s a lot that comes with this game and you roll with the punches.” Fortunately for the Chiefs, Fisher seemed to do just that in the second half against the Eagles. He was called for one more penalty — a hold on Cox during a running play — but didn’t allow another sack, hit or hurry in 13 pass attempts. He was also a part of an offensive line that helped the Chiefs rush for 98 yards in 21 carries during the second half, effectively putting the Eagles away. Chiefs coach Andy Reid lauded Fisher, 22, for hanging tough and showing flashes, despite his somewhat uneven transition from left to right tackle. “I appreciate his effort out here,” Reid said. “He’s just trying to do everything the right way and he battles. Sometimes he gets in awkward positions, and he has the athletic ability and fights his way out of it. It’s not the prettiest picture, but it ends up being a productive play and I appreciate that from him. That you can work with as a coach.” Reid said the Chiefs will also be able to bulk up Fisher’s 6-foot-7, 306-pound frame. “Normally they put on about 10 pounds by the time you get to the next season, and he’ll do that,” Reid said, “He has a big frame that he can add some weight to. He’ll get in the weight room with Barry (Rubin) and he’ll have a whole year to do that part.” Reid, however, stopped short of saying the extra strength alone would rectify some of the negative plays Fisher has made. “I don’t think it’s all that,” Reid said. “Some of it is just he wants to go attack, which is a good thing — you’d rather have it that way than the other way — he wants to go attack and he’ll over settle, but he’ll learn just to kind of calm himself down a little bit.” Guard Geoff Schwartz also noted that Fisher has been targeted because of his draft status and the presence of established veteran Branden Albert on the opposite side. “You’ve got to think, the Eagles and any other team, really, they’re gonna come after that guy,” said Schwartz, a six-year veteran. “Are they gonna come after B.A., or are they come after Fish? They’re gonna come after the young cat. So, that’s the way it is. He knows that, we know that.” Fisher still managed to make a few impressive plays Thursday. He had a textbook reach block that sprung running back Jamaal Charles for a 3-yard score in the second half, and also drove a linebacker 12 yards downfield on another second-half run. “There’s definitely different things you see in there that give you hope,” Schwartz said. “Really, some of his issues have been pass blocking and that just comes with time, knowing space, knowing angles, stuff like that. There’s no worry … we’re 3-0.” Second-year tackle Donald Stephenson hopes the Chiefs’ overall record helps Fisher shrug off his individual defeats, which he found to be the key for surviving as a rookie. “Because you know it’s going to happen,” said Stephenson, who played in 16 games and started seven last season. “The first thing the vets told me was it’s not college — you’re going to get your butt whupped, sometimes. It’s how you handle it and how you respond. That’s what I tried to do, I just kept my head up and brought it the next game, next play.” Stephenson and Schwartz said that’s exactly what Fisher has done, as well. “Everybody struggles that rookie year, and he’s handling it pretty good,” Stephenson said. “He’s always in here working on days off, watching extra film … he’s already acting like a vet. That’s going to pay off for him. The effort is there.” Fisher seems to understand that for most, the journey toward becoming a good NFL player is not an easy process. “Everyone makes mistakes in this game,” Fisher said. “I look at the film, I look at my assignments and I learn from those mistakes and do my best to not make them again. “Everyday, I’m going to be a stronger player.”
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $790478	I'd like to think he just needs time because of the position switch, but it looks to me like he can't physically handle some of these guys. He's getting whipped. He doesn't look strong at all. If the Chiefs get into playoff run mode you wonder how long it takes before they want to put in Stephenson or Schwartz, who is a solid RT, to avoid disastrous results on key passing downs. __________________ Chiefs game films
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