Rent a Championship / Dosent bother me as much

[synthesis2]

I know it will sound like sour grapes, etc etc etc etc etc.

BUTTTTT

The way I look at it is like this, the broncos did what we did when we lured Montana here with the exception that he is still playing at the peak of his game vs. Montana on the downslide of his.

With that being said, its one thing to have a quarterback you drafted and groomed or a quarterback from another team that you built a great team around and you went to a super bowl when it was a team win.

I guess the reason I am not as bent as I thought I would be is because they paid him the most to come there but knowing that if he wasn't there the team is garbage, pretty much a 500 team at best. So you pay a guy and get him there at the end of his career, the TEAM isn't much, they just got lucky to get him.

Like someone winning the lottery and having more money than another guy who had a much better job, doesn't mean the guy who won the lottery is better, just lucky.

Denver as a team doesn't deserve the super bowl nor have they done anything to deserve it.

Manning deserves it by the way he played this year ( and his receivers) but the rest of the team was average at very best.

Put manning on 25 teams this year and he goes to the superbowl with them.

When people from Denver will brag on and on, its not Denver that got them there is was manning 1 , manning 2, and manning 3

Congrats Peyton and recievers, you guys deserved it.

The rest of the team.... Congrats you won the lottery.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

mach,

Put him on the chiefs this year, we are in the same place... period...


since you like throwing out insults, over and over and over... . fu#k off di#k head...

I think it's possible the Chiefs would make the SB with him, though the offense would not be as good as Denver's. That doesn't mean he's the only reason Denver is good.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by notorious

Sooooo, you are saying the receivers will produce like they did this year with Oswillier at QB?

Holy shit, you guys are spoiled.


I was being generous by saying Denver would get around 36-3800 yards passing without Manning.

In the year prior to Manning I believe they did get 36 yards.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

In the year prior to Manning I believe they did get 36 yards.

Tebow was on fire.

[chaz]

Originally Posted by notorious

Tebow was on fire.

Blasphemy.

[Clyde Frog]

****. Denver. In. The. Ass. With. A. Flaming. AIDS. Fireplace. Poker.

The fact that some people on here are trying to rationalize a Denver Super Bowl win as a good thing shows just how brow beaten we as a fan-base have become.

**** them as a organization and **** their fans. I wish nothing but let downs and failure on them forever and will never find solace in them winning anything.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Clyde Frog

****. Denver. In. The. Ass. With. A. Flaming. AIDS. Fireplace. Poker.

The fact that some people on here are trying to rationalize a Denver Super Bowl win as a good thing shows just how brow beaten we as a fan-base have become.

**** them as a organization and **** their fans. I wish nothing but let downs and failure on them forever and will never find solace in them winning anything.

Mom?

[Clyde Frog]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Mom?

Lol! I still hope you guys get curb stomped but thanks for the laugh.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

WTH are you talking about? They don't deserve it??!! Yes they do! Remember, they got Manning when many were trying to get him. Why? Because their front office had what it took to make him believe he had a chance to get them to where they all are right now. And he was right! Is he their best player? IDK, he's their best QB, and he's a goddamn good one at that; perhaps the best of all time. But he doesn't play defense so all he can do for them is inspire them (and he does). He's not a RB, but he inspires one to achieve like a son-of-a-bitch (and he does). So Manning is a huge part of their motor, but the other parts have to work too - and they do.

So they deserve it, they very much deserve it. Don't hate on them for succeeding...

Manning really does make the whole team better. On offense it is pretty obvious. He makes receivers better on game day, in practice, in training camp, whenever he is around them. Our O-Line looks better pass protecting because he's so smart with the football. The threat of his passing game, and his unselfish playcalling, makes our running game better. So our backs are more productive and our O-line run blocks better. He puts together more long drives, and more productive long drives, than any Bronco QB has in quite a while. He can also work the field quickly for a score. The long drives gives our D rest, the quick scores pump them up. I guess if you're a Punter or a Field Goal kicker then you might have reason to complain about Manning. But he also helps us substantially with field position and that helps our Special Teams group. You know the whole coaching staff loves him because he's the unquestioned leader of the team. You want to be good enough to play with him? First you have to attempt to work as hard as he does. That comes across to everyone in the organization. He has elevated the franchise.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

No, give Montana some real WRs like the caliber of Thomas & Thomas,Welker and Decker then Joe goes undefeated

I'd say that Manning has created a lasting effect on Thomas/Decker/Thomas. I think Welker was already Welker and Moreno just needed to get his head straight. We also have a nice #2 RB in Ball, tough runner with body control that flashes excellent vision.

[salame]

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I'd say that Manning has created a lasting effect on Thomas/Decker/Thomas. I think Welker was already Welker and Moreno just needed to get his head straight. We also have a nice #2 RB in Ball, tough runner with body control that flashes excellent vision.

Blah, Blah, Blah, If Manning retires their numbers will drop like a rock. Nobody is going to throw for 50Tds on that roster

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by listopencil

Manning really does make the whole team better. On offense it is pretty obvious. He makes receivers better on game day, in practice, in training camp, whenever he is around them. Our O-Line looks better pass protecting because he's so smart with the football. The threat of his passing game, and his unselfish playcalling, makes our running game better. So our backs are more productive and our O-line run blocks better. He puts together more long drives, and more productive long drives, than any Bronco QB has in quite a while. He can also work the field quickly for a score. The long drives gives our D rest, the quick scores pump them up. I guess if you're a Punter or a Field Goal kicker then you might have reason to complain about Manning. But he also helps us substantially with field position and that helps our Special Teams group. You know the whole coaching staff loves him because he's the unquestioned leader of the team. You want to be good enough to play with him? First you have to attempt to work as hard as he does. That comes across to everyone in the organization. He has elevated the franchise.

Yup. And I'm sure that's why he picked Denver over the other teams - he felt like they'd actually give him the chance to lead (takeover the reigns almost completely), and not be held back. He also had to see that as a whole the team (Owner to coach to water-boys to cheerleaders to players) was committed to winning and spend endless hours making themselves better. I'm sure everybody who interviewed him told him they would at least lest him run the show on offense, and they would have, he just had to cut through the double-talk about the rest.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Blah, Blah, Blah, If Manning retires their numbers will drop like a rock. Nobody is going to throw for 50Tds on that roster

Breath man, breath. You might be right, but he is there, and as long as he is, he'll make that offense very awesome, and inspire the D to play at levels above their own expectation.

But with Mr. Elway in the front office, with all the respect he's earned in the league, if they don't get the next Manning right out of the gate, they'll do what it takes to get him sooner than later. So, like Indy, they will be smart enough to play backups and call almost impossible plays in the year leading up to a QB-rich draft. Or they'll call the leagues best FA QB in for a chat and remind them of how Manning turned out because they embrace awesomeness and let it happen.

Credit the franchise for being good, finding talent, and doing what it takes to get the talent to play for them.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Clyde Frog

****. Denver. In. The. Ass. With. A. Flaming. AIDS. Fireplace. Poker.

The fact that some people on here are trying to rationalize a Denver Super Bowl win as a good thing shows just how brow beaten we as a fan-base have become.

**** them as a organization and **** their fans. I wish nothing but let downs and failure on them forever and will never find solace in them winning anything.

So I take it you are the type of fan that wishes for an opportunistic plane crash?

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Clyde Frog

****. Denver. In. The. Ass. With. A. Flaming. AIDS. Fireplace. Poker.

The fact that some people on here are trying to rationalize a Denver Super Bowl win as a good thing shows just how brow beaten we as a fan-base have become.

**** them as a organization and **** their fans. I wish nothing but let downs and failure on them forever and will never find solace in them winning anything.

Your very angry, very young, or both. If you're a Chiefs fan just pray, but don't hate on a club that's better than yours in most relevant success measurements.

Take it from me young man, don't get too invested on our Chiefs club, it's not good for your mind, body, or soul.