Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter

[The Franchise]

www.rotoworld.com

The Chiefs have penciled in Rishaw Johnson as their starting right guard.

Signed off Kansas City's practice squad last September, Johnson showed promise in a Week 17 spot start against San Diego. The Seahawks were also high on Johnson at one point during his 2012 undrafted rookie season. The Chiefs have a ton of holes to fill on the offensive line after losing key guards Geoff Schwartz and Jon Asamoah, as well at left tackle Branden Albert in free agency.

[Hammock Parties]

BTW, Pioli is still ****ing this team. Allen and Asamoah were some god damn shitty picks, that's for sure now.

Eat the corn nuggets out of my feces, Direckshun.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

Gotta find a balance and pay those who deserve it. Your way involves too many risks. You also are banking on hitting on ALL draft picks, which is totally unrealistic. So I'm not surprised why you choose this course as well. Glad you're not GM.

No, I am not. A well run team can use the bottom of the draft to fill in your non difference makers like guard. Then aggressively use the draft and money to find difference makers. I'd rather put all my money on five playmakers then spread the same money for 10 role players.

If you can't find difference makers in the draft, spend. If you can't find role players with low draft picks keep drafting and testing and experimenting until you find a quality starter.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

We are basically going with a bunch of unproven ballsacks on the OL this year. That's worthy of bitching, sorry.

So, you don't want to draft them high, and "waste the picks". You also don't have confidence in anyone that is drafted low and developed. Proven talent on the line is looking to GET PAID, and at least on paper, the Chiefs don't have a ton of room in the cap with impact players coming up for extension very soon. How else do you fill holes in the line?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by temper11

So, you don't want to draft them high, and "waste the picks". You also don't have confidence in anyone that is drafted low and developed. Proven talent on the line is looking to GET PAID, and at least on paper, the Chiefs don't have a ton of room in the cap with impact players coming up for extension very soon. How else do you fill holes in the line?

2nd, 3rd, 4th round

cheap veteran FA

your arguments suck

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

2nd, 3rd, 4th round

cheap veteran FA

your arguments suck

I didn't offer an argument... I was trying to cliff-notes your argument so I could better understand it. You don't consider a 2nd (which the Chiefs don't have this year) a high pick? 3rd or 4th... Do we know that adding Rishaw means that we won't take an OL in the 3rd or 4th rounds? We signed Williams and Dressler too... does that indicate that we aren't going to pick up a WR in the draft?

The only thing that we know for sure is that they didn't think Albert, Schwartz and Asamoah were worth what they received on the FA market - either because they think they know what they have in the ranks behind those guys, or they believe they can get what they need in the draft.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by temper11

So, you don't want to draft them high, and "waste the picks". You also don't have confidence in anyone that is drafted low and developed. Proven talent on the line is looking to GET PAID, and at least on paper, the Chiefs don't have a ton of room in the cap with impact players coming up for extension very soon. How else do you fill holes in the line?

I would have given Schwartz the contract he got from the Giants. That shit is nothing.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by SNR

I would have given Schwartz the contract he got from the Giants. That shit is nothing.

Fair enough... I didn't pay that much attention to Schwartz and didn't notice him much (which is probably pretty good indication that you are right). Nor am I all that versed in contract stuff and what is appropriate for what players.

What I do know, is that it is impossible that everyone will agree, regardless of the board, team or player. If we'd have signed these guys that left, and then had less money to make other moves, the boards would be filled with a million people stating that we paid to much and could have found suitable talent to fill in for the exiting starters elsewhere.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

$5m isn't big money to me.

And spending a third round pick would be acceptable.

Your argument is flimsy.

$5 million a year equates to the fourth pick in the first round of the Draft.

If the Chiefs select a guard with the #23 pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, they will effectively be paying that guy $2 million per year - which would equate to a veritable bargain versus the $4 to $5 million per year that they would have paid to keep Schwartz (who is on his fourth team in four years) or Asamoah (who never progressed beyond his rookie year) on the team.

Theoretically, the Chiefs would be getting what would amount to one of if not the best guards in the entire draft at that spot, getting a guaranteed four years out of the player at a position that is more "plug and play" than other spots on the team. This equates to a huge savings as it relates to potential performance for the position.

Personally, with the structured salary cap, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with the Chiefs selecting the best guard in the draft this coming May. It's a position of high need (as many are to point out, are you completely sold on the idea of either Watkins, Johnson or Linkenbach anchoring that spot on a team who just needed a few extra pieces in order to advance in the playoffs this past season?) with relatively low risk.

Xavier S'ua-Filo is generally regarded as the top guard prospect in this draft and by all accounts, seems to be considered available with the #23 pick. If the Chiefs select him, they've locked up a guy who's got All-Pro level potential at his position for four seasons on the cheap. Considering that this the guard position is probably the single biggest question mark on this team, I don't see how anyone would have a problem with them using their first round pick on such a player.

Parade (high school) All-American who won three state titles...In 2009, was the first true freshman offensive player in UCLA history to start the start the season opener; started all 13 games at left tackle...Started all 13 games in 2013, including seven at left guard, six at left tackle. Won the Morris Trophy, which is given to the most outstanding offensive lineman in the Pac-12, as voted on by the conference's defensive linemen. Was also voted the Bruins' offensive MVP. Team captain.

Quick out of his stance. Effective pass blocker -- can bend his knees, extend and mirror in short area. Generates movement in the run game. Can work his hips and maneuver to gain positioning. Good foot athlete. Can pull, trap, combo block and step to the second level. Durable three-year starter. Has played guard and tackle. - NFL.com

Powerfully-built. Very good initial quickness, hand placement and impressive upper body strength to gain the initial advantage on defenders. Due to his core strength and flexibility, Su'a-Filo anchors very well against bull-rushes and shows lateral agility and balance in pass pro. Perfect match in UCLA's drive-blocking scheme, but has the athleticism to fit in a zone-blocking scheme as well. - CBSsports.com

Put simply, as far as I’m concerned, the 2014 draft class at guard consists of Su’a-Filo and a few tiers of Everybody Else. There’s nobody else who possesses his combination of root strength, understanding of technique and agility to the second level. He has the versatility to play left tackle — which he did for the Bruins at times — but at his heart, Su’a-Filo has the nasty streak you like in an elite guard. Basically, he’s an ass-kicker, and he’s proud of that.

“Honestly, I don’t watch a whole lot of guys who kind of remind me of me,” Su’a-Filo said at the scouting combine. “I watch a lot of the guys I try to pattern my game after. I watch a lot of Logan Mankins, left guard from the New England Patriots. I think Logan, he was a high draft pick, but he’s physical. He’s a bad-ass, he started from Day 1 in New England, and I love how nasty he is, something about his game that I really try to implement.”

It all adds up to a guy who should hear his name called in the first 20 picks, and the most exciting guard prospect I’ve seen since Stanford’s David DeCastro. - SI.com

[The Franchise]

And if that OG at #23 sucks.....his entire contract is guaranteed.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

$5 million a year equates to the fourth pick in the first round of the Draft.

If the Chiefs select a guard with the #23 pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, they will effectively be paying that guy $2 million per year - which would equate to a veritable bargain versus the $4 to $5 million per year that they would have paid to keep Schwartz (who is on his fourth team in four years) or Asamoah (who never progressed beyond his rookie year) on the team.

Theoretically, the Chiefs would be getting what would amount to one of if not the best guards in the entire draft at that spot, getting a guaranteed four years out of the player at a position that is more "plug and play" than other spots on the team. This equates to a huge savings as it relates to potential performance for the position.

Personally, with the structured salary cap, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with the Chiefs selecting the best guard in the draft this coming May. It's a position of high need (as many are to point out, are you completely sold on the idea of either Watkins, Johnson or Linkenbach anchoring that spot on a team who just needed a few extra pieces in order to advance in the playoffs this past season?) with relatively low risk.

Xavier S'ua-Filo is generally regarded as the top guard prospect in this draft and by all accounts, seems to be considered available with the #23 pick. If the Chiefs select him, they've locked up a guy who's got All-Pro level potential at his position for four seasons on the cheap. Considering that this the guard position is probably the single biggest question mark on this team, I don't see how anyone would have a problem with them using their first round pick on such a player.

It's a problem because it removes context from the other positions. Just as you're spending $2 million per year to get this bargain guard, you could also potentially be spending $2 million per year to get Hali's replacement, a dynamic WR opposite Bowe, a true ILB that does way more than bite the ear off Matt Schaub, or a fantastic TE that would really make Alex a happy QB.

Those are all far bigger bargains than getting that magic guard.

[the Talking Can]

because drafting a ****ing guard in the first round is ****ing stupid, that's why

jesus...if we pass on any combo of Beckham/Lee/Cooks for a guard in the first

guards aren't as important as WRs...is also why, and we 'appear' to be in the position of getting a WR that would be out of reach in any other draft

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

And if that OG at #23 sucks.....his entire contract is guaranteed.

"There is no Andrew Luck David DeCastro or Peyton Manning John Hannah in this draft

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

because drafting a ****ing guard in the first round is ****ing stupid, that's why

jesus...if we pass on any combo of Beckham/Lee/Cooks for a guard in the first

guards aren't as important as WRs...is also why, and we 'appear' to be in the position of getting a WR that would be out of reach in any other draft

Is drafting the best guard in the draft at the #23 position stupid? Especially when it's a position of need?

And because of the incredible depth of the wide receiver position in this draft, the Chiefs could potentially get a borderline first round talent at the WR position with their third round pick. Guys like Devin Street, Mike Davis, Kevin Norwood, Robert Herron, Jared Abbrederis, Josh Huff, etc., are all very solid receiver prospects. (Devin Street, at least to me and from a measurables perspective, is as good as any of the guys who are being bandied about as potential first rounders.)

That #23 spot rookie receiver coming in is going to initially be a #3/#4/ST guy at best. That #23 spot rookie guard starts and is already better than anybody else on the roster.

I'm just being practical. Personally, my most superativest favorite player for our pick is Odell Beckham. However, being realistic and understanding the needs of the team, S'ua-Filo would be the better pick considering what potential receivers will still be on the board in the third round.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Is drafting the best guard in the draft at the #23 position stupid? Especially when it's a position of need?

And because of the incredible depth of the wide receiver position in this draft, the Chiefs could potentially get a borderline first round talent at the WR position with their third round pick. Guys like Devin Street, Mike Davis, Kevin Norwood, Robert Herron, Jared Abbrederis, Josh Huff, etc., are all very solid receiver prospects. (Devin Street, at least to me and from a measurables perspective, is as good as any of the guys who are being bandied about as potential first rounders.)

That #23 spot rookie receiver coming in is going to initially be a #3/#4/ST guy at best. That #23 spot rookie guard starts and is already better than anybody else on the roster.

I'm just being practical. Personally, my most superativest favorite player for our pick is Odell Beckham. However, being realistic and understanding the needs of the team, S'ua-Filo would be the better pick considering what potential receivers will still be on the board in the third round.

All speculation and you have nothing to back that up.

[O.city]

The same can be said for the guards in this draft. I'd rather take a guy who could potentially be a 1 wr vs a guard early when I could take a guard that can play at a high level later.