Chiefs Teicher: No sign yet that Bowe will bounce back - Page 6

FringeNC · 08-13-2014, 01:37 PM

ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs made their decision on Dwayne Bowe for better or for worse last year when they signed him to a lucrative, long-term contract.

They didn’t get their money’s worth from their No. 1 wide receiver last year, when he had the worst statistical full season of his career. Bowe failed to lead the Chiefs in receiving for the first time since they traded Tony Gonzalez after the 2008 season.

But in part because of Bowe’s big contract, the Chiefs were limited in their ability to pursue a receiver in free agency. The only wide receiver likely to make the regular-season roster who wasn’t with the Chiefs last season is rookie Albert Wilson, an undrafted free agent.

So their best chance to see dramatic improvement at the position may rest with Bowe. He had a tough day at practice on Wednesday, dropping a pair of passes and deflected another for an interception.

That’s hardly an indication that Bowe won’t rebound this season. But he hasn’t had a great camp and the Chiefs may be guilty of wishful thinking when it comes to their top wide receiver.

Bowe in September will turn 30, the age when the skills of many receivers start their decline. Could it be that process has already started with Bowe?

We’ll find out soon. Chiefs wide receivers coach David Culley said Bowe is in much better shape than he was last summer. Bowe said he’s in the best shape of his career.

“I know from last year, it’s completely different,’’ said Culley, who in his second season with the Chiefs. “Thirty is a mindset. There’s old 30s and there’s young 30s. Which 30 do you want to be? When he came back, he came back as a young 30 and that’s what you have to do to play in this league for a long time.’’

The Chiefs need Culley to be right. If he’s not, it would be obvious the Chiefs made the wrong decision last year on Bowe.

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ll-bounce-back

Marcellus · 08-13-2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Yep.

He will never be more than what he is: a QB who wins football games.

FYP

saphojunkie · 08-13-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Yep.

He will never be more than what he is: a disease that kills wide receivers.

That's ridiculous.

Hammock Parties · 08-13-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

That's ridiculous.

I know. You'd think he could at least get the ball to Bowe like Cassel did.

saphojunkie · 08-13-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

I know. You'd think he could at least get the ball to Bowe like Cassel did.

Oxford · 08-13-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Neither Reid nor Alex Smith is the kind of coach/player that would not use whatever talent they had. Bowe didn't get separation with any consistency. He also didn't win the battle for the ball against the CBs. Bowe got open against the Colts and he got the ball. If Bowe gets open this year then he will get plenty of targets.

If you want to say that Bowe is a bad match for Reid/Smith then fine. But the rest is bullshit.

Bowe is the kind of receiver that plays when he wants to. Big contract = no motivation.

jd1020 · 08-13-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford

Bowe is the kind of receiver that plays when he wants to. Big contract = no motivation.

He points to his name!!!!!!!

Hammock Parties · 08-13-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford

Bowe is the kind of receiver that plays when he wants to. Big contract = no motivation.

Bowe = worst draft pick ever

**Rausch** · 08-13-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

the longest pass(in the air) to Bowe was like 12 yards, the big yards came after the catch

Reid had that talk with Alex in week 10 or 12. Not before the Colts playoff game.

He repeated it for the Colts playoff game...

**Rausch** · 08-13-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford

Bowe is the kind of receiver that plays when he wants to. Big contract = no motivation.

Bowe is a WR like Anquan Boldin: he doesn't get a lot of separation, like, ever. He's physical, fights for the ball, gets YAC.

For Kap that's a great guy to have. Someone a young QB can throw it to even when he's not wide open and let the guy fight for the ball.

With Smith he'd be useless...

Kiimo · 08-13-2014, 03:13 PM

Um the jury is still out on both. Out on post-contract Bowe and out on Alex Smith.

jd1020 · 08-13-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Um the jury is still out on both. Out on post-contract Bowe and out on Alex Smith.

Both have been in the league for a long time. The jury concluded long ago.

saphojunkie · 08-13-2014, 03:16 PM

But seriously, the two examples I think we're all going to point to are Bowe and Crabtree, right?

In 2012, when Kaepernick took over for Smith, the first game Crabtree had 26 yards receiving.

After that, his targets dramatically increased. You might say that's because Kaepernick was willing to throw more than Smith, right? But that would be ignoring that those targets - multiple games with double digit targets - were coming from somewhere.

That somewhere was from Vernon Davis and - SHOCKING - other wide receivers. Look at Kaepernick's signature game - week 15 in a win vs. New England.

Crabtree got seven receptions.
Randy Moss got two.

No other wide receiver caught a pass.

That tells me that Kaepernick's focus on Crabtree is far less because he's willing to throw it where Smith isn't and moreso because, like a lot of young QBs, he had one read and locked onto one target.

Avery's career production didn't dip with Alex Smith. In fact, it was right up there with his best years.

McCluster's receiving production didn't dip with Alex Smith. Again, right at the top.

The only WR who has had a noticeable downturn in production with Alex Smith is Bowe, and it was just one year. Granted, that shit is WAY MORE ****ING IMPORTANT than avery or mccluster****. But there simply isn't this overwhelming evidence that Smith takes good receivers and makes them bad. He spreads the ball around, he makes short to intermediate, high-percentage throws.

I don't think Bowe's contract was a mistake. I don't think Bowe has lost it. I don't think Bowe's done.

I think Bowe should have a very good year. He won't put up Megatron numbers, but I think he's going to be very productive this year. And idiots like Teicher look at stats and decide that's the entire measure of a player. Bowe has to be respected on the outside. He commands the top DB in coverage. He opens up the middle. He blocks for Jamaal like a son of a bitch. He's a good teammate, a willing leader.

I ****ing love Bowe. I am excited to see what happens this year with everyone being familiar with the offense and more comfortable with each other.

mikey23545 · 08-13-2014, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Bullshit. Did you see the playoff game? Stop being intellectually dishonest.

Did you know that Bowe had 521 yards his last eight games last season?

Gee, that had NOTHING to do with Bowe ~~finding his nuts~~ finally wrapping his incredible I.Q. around 10 or 20% of the playbook I bet.

FYP

jd1020 · 08-13-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Avery's career production didn't dip with Alex Smith. In fact, it was right up there with his best years.

Avery was 20 catches and nearly 200 yards short of his career best...

It's no coincidence that the outside WR's suffered through a year of Alex Smith. Even his biggest ball washers will tell you he doesn't like going outside.

Marcellus · 08-13-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Avery was 20 catches and nearly 200 yards short of his career best...

Jesus Christ that's like 12 yards a game!

He dropped more than 200 yards worth of passes.

08-13-2014, 01:37 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1803986	Teicher: No sign yet that Bowe will bounce back ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs made their decision on Dwayne Bowe for better or for worse last year when they signed him to a lucrative, long-term contract. They didn’t get their money’s worth from their No. 1 wide receiver last year, when he had the worst statistical full season of his career. Bowe failed to lead the Chiefs in receiving for the first time since they traded Tony Gonzalez after the 2008 season. But in part because of Bowe’s big contract, the Chiefs were limited in their ability to pursue a receiver in free agency. The only wide receiver likely to make the regular-season roster who wasn’t with the Chiefs last season is rookie Albert Wilson, an undrafted free agent. So their best chance to see dramatic improvement at the position may rest with Bowe. He had a tough day at practice on Wednesday, dropping a pair of passes and deflected another for an interception. That’s hardly an indication that Bowe won’t rebound this season. But he hasn’t had a great camp and the Chiefs may be guilty of wishful thinking when it comes to their top wide receiver. Bowe in September will turn 30, the age when the skills of many receivers start their decline. Could it be that process has already started with Bowe? We’ll find out soon. Chiefs wide receivers coach David Culley said Bowe is in much better shape than he was last summer. Bowe said he’s in the best shape of his career. “I know from last year, it’s completely different,’’ said Culley, who in his second season with the Chiefs. “Thirty is a mindset. There’s old 30s and there’s young 30s. Which 30 do you want to be? When he came back, he came back as a young 30 and that’s what you have to do to play in this league for a long time.’’ The Chiefs need Culley to be right. If he’s not, it would be obvious the Chiefs made the wrong decision last year on Bowe. http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ll-bounce-back
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Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $1758742	Um the jury is still out on both. Out on post-contract Bowe and out on Alex Smith.
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2146550	But seriously, the two examples I think we're all going to point to are Bowe and Crabtree, right? In 2012, when Kaepernick took over for Smith, the first game Crabtree had 26 yards receiving. After that, his targets dramatically increased. You might say that's because Kaepernick was willing to throw more than Smith, right? But that would be ignoring that those targets - multiple games with double digit targets - were coming from somewhere. That somewhere was from Vernon Davis and - SHOCKING - other wide receivers. Look at Kaepernick's signature game - week 15 in a win vs. New England. Crabtree got seven receptions. Randy Moss got two. No other wide receiver caught a pass. That tells me that Kaepernick's focus on Crabtree is far less because he's willing to throw it where Smith isn't and moreso because, like a lot of young QBs, he had one read and locked onto one target. Avery's career production didn't dip with Alex Smith. In fact, it was right up there with his best years. McCluster's receiving production didn't dip with Alex Smith. Again, right at the top. The only WR who has had a noticeable downturn in production with Alex Smith is Bowe, and it was just one year. Granted, that shit is WAY MORE **ING IMPORTANT than avery or mccluster. But there simply isn't this overwhelming evidence that Smith takes good receivers and makes them bad. He spreads the ball around, he makes short to intermediate, high-percentage throws. I don't think Bowe's contract was a mistake. I don't think Bowe has lost it. I don't think Bowe's done. I think Bowe should have a very good year. He won't put up Megatron numbers, but I think he's going to be very productive this year. And idiots like Teicher look at stats and decide that's the entire measure of a player. Bowe has to be respected on the outside. He commands the top DB in coverage. He opens up the middle. He blocks for Jamaal like a son of a bitch. He's a good teammate, a willing leader. I **ing love Bowe. I am excited to see what happens this year with everyone being familiar with the offense and more comfortable with each other.
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