Football Was this the end of the Geno Smith era for New York Jets? - Page 4

FringeNC · 10-26-2014, 08:20 PM

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – The Geno Smith era (error?) for the New York Jets might be nearing its end.

Benched after just four series in the Jets' 43-23 home loss to the Buffalo Bills, Smith's time as starter of this 1-7 team is tenuous. He threw three interceptions and just two completions on his first 10 passes, forcing usually lax Jets head coach Rex Ryan to bench his second-year quarterback for the second time this season. Now 24 starts into his NFL career, Smith shows no signs of progress, no signs of turning into a franchise quarterback.

Instead, he struggles with fundamentals and still can't read a defense.

“We didn’t execute. We didn’t execute again. I say we [but] I’m talking about myself because it was just atrocious, the way that I started out. I never expected to start a game out like that,” Smith said. “I’ve got to make sure that I get better from that and don’t allow things like that to happen - put ourselves in those types of positions like that.”

Let's be clear that there have been plenty worse quarterbacks in the history of the NFL who have stuck around for a few seasons. And Smith did quarterback a team that went 8-8 in his rookie year last season. What Smith can't do is lead a team or win games on his own. Three interceptions on the game's first four drives shows that Smith's learning curve is perhaps steeper than anticipated.

Smith, by the looks of it, might never get there.

He came from an "Air-Raid" offense in West Virginia that masked his deficiencies. He'd throw to the hot read and let teammates like Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey rack up serious yards down the field. But on Sundays, in the face of collapsing pockets, Smith struggles with his decision-making and is pressured into poor throws. All three of his interceptions against the Bills could have been avoided.

The move to Michael Vick in Sunday's loss might show a shift amongst the coaching staff that could point the franchise in a different direction at quarterback, not just as they play out the rest of this year but moving forward.

It could be argued that the Jets haven't had a franchise quarterback – a true franchise quarterback – since Joe Namath left Broadway following the 1976 season. Yes, there has been Boomer Esiason and Vinny Testaverde and Chad Pennington since then, but the Jets have failed to groom a long-term answer under center for almost four decades now.

Smith was supposed to be that quarterback. Instead, he looks ready to be the latest failure at the position, even as the Jets don't know who will start come Week 9.

Head coach Rex Ryan wouldn't commit to Vick or Smith moving forward. Vick was 18-for-36 for 153 yards and had an interception along with two fumbles lost. Vick can improve on this performance, however. He has rarely received first-team reps this season. His 36 attempts on Sunday are the most he has had since Week 2 last year, when he was the starter with the Philadelphia Eagles. Ryan would only say about next week's decision at starting quarterback, “I have no idea, we'll look at that later.” But “later” might well cost Ryan his job.

If Ryan wants any shot to return to the Jets for a seventh season, he might need to go with Vick from here on out.

“Well, you know I wouldn’t like to repeat that, but if it does happen I have to use it to my best interest," Smith said. "I have to make it beneficial. Like I said, I never envisioned that happening because I do see myself as the starting quarterback and I honestly believe that I can turn things around myself to get this team going. But if those things do happen I have to learn from it and take those reps from the sideline and I have to do a good job of that.”

HonestChieffan · 10-27-2014, 07:42 PM

He is dumber than mouse shit. Geno won't be a memory in 2 years.

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2014, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

He is dumber than mouse shit. Geno won't be a memory in 2 years.

He will be a memory as long as I am alive and a member of this message board...

I will not forget the dumbassery over Geno and his trolls....

KCrockaholic · 10-27-2014, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Well you and those scouts were wrong about Geno. It is evident that GMs across the league didn't agree with those scouts either. With the issues he showed there was no way he was worthy of the a first round pick. I didn't think he would get drafted until the 3rd round because of his issues.

The GM's had something I and the pro scouts didn't necessarily get to see. Multiple meetings and evaluations of his head wasn't something I had access to. I just had what was put on the field.

**Baby Lee** · 10-27-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I want to see him in arrowhead just to see clayanus's heart get ripped out.

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Heart was ripped out a month ago you stupid bastard.

Reerun - Claynus is borderline reeruned.

Claynus - Bah, I've been full reerun for a long time, ya big dummy!!

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Reerun - Claynus is borderline reeruned.

Claynus - Bah, I've been full reerun for a long time, ya big dummy!!

IF Clayanus has a learning disability then I really feel bad for picking on him...

I have always been super nice to special people, I would feel like shit if this is true.

Hammock Parties · 10-27-2014, 08:13 PM

Speaking of learning disabilities...you'd think Chiefs fans would be able to recognize the same evils being perpetrated upon them...but most of you literally don't learn. It's truly mind-bottling.

You're fine with having a dogshit passing game as long as the Chiefs are a game or two over .500.

You will have to relearn the same lesson again this January.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-27-2014, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Speaking of learning disabilities...you'd think Chiefs fans would be able to recognize the same evils being perpetrated upon them...but most of you literally don't learn. It's truly mind-bottling.

You're fine with having a dogshit passing game as long as the Chiefs are a game or two over .500.

You will have to relearn the same lesson again this January.

LOL We're fine with it?

WTF are we supposed to do about it?

Sandy Vagina · 10-27-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

You will have to relearn the same lesson again this January.

You mean the January playoff game where the KC offense amassed 513 yards.. 9 of 16 3rd down conversion %, and still lost as their defense collapsed in historic fashion?

that is the lesson to relearn?

... JFC, you suck at thinking.

stevieray · 10-27-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Speaking of learning disabilities...you'd think Chiefs fans would be able to recognize the same evils being perpetrated upon them...but most of you literally don't learn. It's truly mind-bottling.

You're fine with having a dogshit passing game as long as the Chiefs are a game or two over .500.

You will have to relearn the same lesson again this January.

this is it in a nutshell...clay has to predict and hope for negative outcomes, because it's his foundation..he has nothing without it..

...but in the meantime...he'll continue to martyr himself for the sake of your negative attention.

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Speaking of learning disabilities...you'd think Chiefs fans would be able to recognize the same evils being perpetrated upon them...but most of you literally don't learn. It's truly mind-bottling.

You're fine with having a dogshit passing game as long as the Chiefs are a game or two over .500.

You will have to relearn the same lesson again this January.

Are you mad that ESPN isnt covering your Jets and Geno 24x7 anymore?

Is that the lesson I am going to learn in January?

Hammock Parties · 10-27-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Are you mad that ESPN isnt covering your Jets and Geno 24x7 anymore?

Is that the lesson I am going to learn in January?

You and I are on the same side in this debate so don't act like we aren't.

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

You and I are on the same side in this debate so don't act like we aren't.

I have an opinion on Alex and Candy... But they are here for the long haul so there
isnt much I can do or say about it anymore.. It is what it is....

**Baby Lee** · 10-27-2014, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Speaking of learning disabilities...you'd think Chiefs fans would be able to recognize the same evils being perpetrated upon them...but most of you literally don't learn. It's truly mind-bottling.

You're fine with having a dogshit passing game as long as the Chiefs are a game or two over .500.

You will have to relearn the same lesson again this January.

See, this is what is truly irritating.

You drafturbators project your own obsession with the QB position and fantasy FB metrics onto us, when what you posit as our stance bears no relation to reality.

You think that 'game manager QB' is an exercise in futility. But the truth is, the APEX of relying entirely on the QB, the VERY SUMMIT of Everest, can be seen in the multiple blowouts in the SB the AFC has gifted us. Kelly's Bills, Elway's Broncos without Terrell Davis, 43-8.

It's a team game, and team problems have us at just 1 game over .500. Further, team over achievement have kept us out of the cellar. It remains to be seen whether over achievement develops into long term improvement, or how the return of injured stars figures in to additional improvement.

I completely reject your framing of the argument. I reject the notion that Smith at QB is this singular shortcoming of an otherwise championship caliber team. This team has lots of problems, and lots of promising hints popping up. And Alex is not even among the 5 biggest problems on the team.

Pointing out WR inadequacy, or OL growing pains, or shitty playcalling and clock management, or defensive implosions like last January are not Alexcuses. They are problems that even the most accomplished and prolific of QBs rarely overcome.

Hammock Parties · 10-27-2014, 08:52 PM

That's a long post. Let me boil down what is important:

If the season ended today, the Chiefs would not be in the playoffs.

Reerun_KC · 10-27-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

That's a long post. Let me boil down what is important:

If the season ended today, the Chiefs would not be in the playoffs.

OMG NO!!!!!

10-26-2014, 08:20 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1753986	Was this the end of the Geno Smith era for New York Jets? http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...medium=twitter EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – The Geno Smith era (*error?) for the New York Jets might be nearing its end. Benched after just four series in the Jets' 43-23 home loss to the Buffalo Bills, Smith's time as starter of this 1-7 team is tenuous. He threw three interceptions and just two completions on his first 10 passes, forcing usually lax Jets head coach Rex Ryan to bench his second-year quarterback for the second time this season. Now 24 starts into his NFL career, Smith shows no signs of progress, no signs of turning into a franchise quarterback. Instead, he struggles with fundamentals and still can't read a defense. “We didn’t execute. We didn’t execute again. I say we [but] I’m talking about myself because it was just atrocious, the way that I started out. I never expected to start a game out like that,” Smith said. “I’ve got to make sure that I get better from that and don’t allow things like that to happen - put ourselves in those types of positions like that.” Let's be clear that there have been plenty worse quarterbacks in the history of the NFL who have stuck around for a few seasons. And Smith did quarterback a team that went 8-8 in his rookie year last season. What Smith can't do is lead a team or win games on his own. Three interceptions on the game's first four drives shows that Smith's learning curve is perhaps steeper than anticipated. Smith, by the looks of it, might never get there. He came from an "Air-Raid" offense in West Virginia that masked his deficiencies. He'd throw to the hot read and let teammates like Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey rack up serious yards down the field. But on Sundays, in the face of collapsing pockets, Smith struggles with his decision-making and is pressured into poor throws. All three of his interceptions against the Bills could have been avoided. The move to Michael Vick in Sunday's loss might show a shift amongst the coaching staff that could point the franchise in a different direction at quarterback, not just as they play out the rest of this year but moving forward. It could be argued that the Jets haven't had a franchise quarterback – a true franchise quarterback – since Joe Namath left Broadway following the 1976 season. Yes, there has been Boomer Esiason and Vinny Testaverde and Chad Pennington since then, but the Jets have failed to groom a long-term answer under center for almost four decades now. Smith was supposed to be that quarterback. Instead, he looks ready to be the latest failure at the position*, even as the Jets don't know who will start come Week 9. Head coach Rex Ryan wouldn't commit to Vick or Smith moving forward. Vick was 18-for-36 for 153 yards and had an interception along with two fumbles lost. Vick can improve on this performance, however. He has rarely received first-team reps this season. His 36 attempts on Sunday are the most he has had since Week 2 last year, when he was the starter with the Philadelphia Eagles. Ryan would only say about next week's decision at starting quarterback, “I have no idea, we'll look at that later.” But “later” might well cost Ryan his job. If Ryan wants any shot to return to the Jets for a seventh season, he might need to go with Vick from here on out. “Well, you know I wouldn’t like to repeat that, but if it does happen I have to use it to my best interest," Smith said. "I have to make it beneficial. Like I said, I never envisioned that happening because I do see myself as the starting quarterback and I honestly believe that I can turn things around myself to get this team going. But if those things do happen I have to learn from it and take those reps from the sideline and I have to do a good job of that.”
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10-27-2014, 08:13 PM	#51
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $830478	Speaking of learning disabilities...you'd think Chiefs fans would be able to recognize the same evils being perpetrated upon them...but most of you literally don't learn. It's truly mind-bottling. You're fine with having a dogshit passing game as long as the Chiefs are a game or two over .500. You will have to relearn the same lesson again this January.
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10-27-2014, 08:52 PM	#59
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $830478	That's a long post. Let me boil down what is important: If the season ended today, the Chiefs would not be in the playoffs.
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