Chiefs 6-10 Team with Chase Daniel - Page 2

Prison Bitch · 12-28-2014, 05:15 PM

Someone at the game today made a comment that we should play Chase Daniel next year and "get rid of that clown Smith". Like always, I wanted to see what the data suggests.

We have almost no sample size for Daniel as he's played 2 games. We have a large sample size for Alex though. QB rating is extremely correlated to wins in the NFL. The average rating is 84: a team can expect an additional win (or loss) moving approximately 6 points from the median. Alex had a 93 rating and Daniel had a 75 rating today. That's an implied swing of 3 full games if we assume static performance.

While there is no way to know if Daniel would perform differently over the course of a season, it's doubtful any teams (or our own coaching staff) believe he could. Else, he'd be picked up as a starter. Whether Chiefs fans see any value finishing 9-7 vs 6-10 if you miss the playoffs regardless is another discussion.

**notorious** · 12-28-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Except not even close.

You can tell from 2 games?

Riiiiiight.

Mr. Laz · 12-28-2014, 05:38 PM

Hard to believe that a QB would be playing his best during his first start in a year.

data incomplete

conclusion fail

Prison Bitch · 12-28-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

You can tell from 2 games?

Riiiiiight.

But you can?

**Bowser** · 12-28-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge

With the limited practice days and times allowed, I wonder how many minutes of 1st team practice snaps he even got to take?

Felt like this should be quoted

**notorious** · 12-28-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

But you can?

I can tell you that Alex isn't getting us anywhere, so why not put that cap space towards the ultimate OLine or WR's?

Besides, the 2 games of data backs up my argument a hell of a lot better than yours.

Eleazar · 12-28-2014, 05:46 PM

Daniel is probably one of the league's better backup quarterbacks, which is what he should remain.

Gravedigger · 12-28-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I'm not convincing anyone of anything, I'm simply posting the data.

If you believe Chase Daniel could run a full season with a 93 rating though, I'll find that extremely doubtful and nobody in the League would likely agree.

Your "data" has Chase with two games, how many games does Alex have?

MIAdragon · 12-28-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

I'm not convincing anyone of anything, I'm simply posting the data.

If you believe Chase Daniel could run a full season with a 93 rating though, I'll find that extremely doubtful and nobody in the League would likely agree.

2 games of data, lolz.

**Ragged Robin** · 12-28-2014, 05:48 PM

at least we can confirm that Bowe is allergic to the endzone.

Jimmya · 12-28-2014, 05:48 PM

I want to know what you're smoking if you think Smiff is way better than Daniel!

MIAdragon · 12-28-2014, 05:49 PM

And QBR is not a stat Id rely on to pick a QB.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-28-2014, 05:51 PM

6-10 doesn't satisfy Lil' Chiefy. He demands at least 7 in order to feel good about himself.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-28-2014, 05:53 PM

Give me a break. Smith is easily better than daniel.

What I hope this exposed was the dumbass myths we've been shoveled all year long that are excuses for Smith. The OL is terrible... They looked just fine today behind a QB who got rid of the ball quickly. The receivers are a dumpster fire... They were getting open today and had a QB who actually took shots at them downfield. The second half showed us the real chase Daniel. Neither Smith nor Daniel are the answer. Sorry guys... While this game should signal to management that we should no longer make excuses for Smith, it probably solidifies chase Daniel as our backup. It's one of those catch 22 only the Chiefs can find themselves in. Backup plays well enough to damage stock of first string qb but also strengthen stock of the backup qb who isn't the answer.

**Ragged Robin** · 12-28-2014, 05:54 PM

let's not get carried away here guys, 16/27 157yds 0td 0int doesn't qualify as tearing it up solely because his name isn't Smith

**Bowser** · 12-28-2014, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Give me a break. Smith is easily better than daniel.

What I hope this exposed was the dumbass myths we've been shoveled all year long that are excuses for Smith. The OL is terrible... They looked just fine today behind a QB who got rid of the ball quickly. The receivers are a dumpster fire... They were getting open today and had a QB who actually took shots at them downfield. The second half showed us the real chase Daniel. Neither Smith nor Daniel are the answer. Sorry guys... While this game should signal to management that we should no longer make excuses for Smith, it probably solidifies chase Daniel as our backup. It's one of those catch 22 only the Chiefs can find themselves in. Backup plays well enough to damage stock of first string qb but also strengthen stock of the backup qb who isn't the answer.

I don't think anyone is looking for Daniel to be the starter here. We're just making the point that Alex was in no way better in 15 games than what Chase was today (with no reps the first few days of practice with the ones, to boot).

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Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012 Casino cash: $5450159	6-10 Team with Chase Daniel Someone at the game today made a comment that we should play Chase Daniel next year and "get rid of that clown Smith". Like always, I wanted to see what the data suggests. We have almost no sample size for Daniel as he's played 2 games. We have a large sample size for Alex though. QB rating is extremely correlated to wins in the NFL. The average rating is 84: a team can expect an additional win (or loss) moving approximately 6 points from the median. Alex had a 93 rating and Daniel had a 75 rating today. That's an implied swing of 3 full games if we assume static performance. While there is no way to know if Daniel would perform differently over the course of a season, it's doubtful any teams (or our own coaching staff) believe he could. Else, he'd be picked up as a starter. Whether Chiefs fans see any value finishing 9-7 vs 6-10 if you miss the playoffs regardless is another discussion.
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12-28-2014, 05:53 PM	#28
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1745503	Give me a break. Smith is easily better than daniel. What I hope this exposed was the dumbass myths we've been shoveled all year long that are excuses for Smith. The OL is terrible... They looked just fine today behind a QB who got rid of the ball quickly. The receivers are a dumpster fire... They were getting open today and had a QB who actually took shots at them downfield. The second half showed us the real chase Daniel. Neither Smith nor Daniel are the answer. Sorry guys... While this game should signal to management that we should no longer make excuses for Smith, it probably solidifies chase Daniel as our backup. It's one of those catch 22 only the Chiefs can find themselves in. Backup plays well enough to damage stock of first string qb but also strengthen stock of the backup qb who isn't the answer.
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