Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 8

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

**Lzen** · 12-30-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

I'm not using a scale, and I didn't actually rate QBs. I'm just talking out of my ass to make a point.

Lol, alright then. I respect your honesty.

**Lzen** · 12-30-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If I remember right it wasn't 'fans' so much as it was Jason Whitlock, then a radio personality in town in addition to his work at the Star, who was as I recall upset that they didn't sign Jeff George and started calling him trINT at the earliest opportunity. There were a few followers of Whitlock here using the moniker, but I think most people understood the receiver situation (it was snoop minnis and chris thomas back in 2001, Kennison was a waiver wire pickup late in the season...).

At least that's how I think it was. Over a decade ago so the years may be fuzzing together.

Yeah, I remember all of that now. Good little trip down memory lane. Jeff George.....

**Baby Lee** · 12-30-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Don't knock Kennison. As I recall he had 2 or 3 straight 1000 yards (or close to it) receiving seasons. He was a 1st rounder that didn't do so well in his first couple of stops. But make no mistake, he was a good WR.

And he something for the Donkeys' asses, that goes a long way ion my book.

**ShortRoundChief** · 12-30-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If I remember right it wasn't 'fans' so much as it was Jason Whitlock, then a radio personality in town in addition to his work at the Star, who was as I recall upset that they didn't sign Jeff George and started calling him trINT at the earliest opportunity. There were a few followers of Whitlock here using the moniker, but I think most people understood the receiver situation (it was snoop minnis and chris thomas back in 2001, Kennison was a waiver wire pickup late in the season...).

At least that's how I think it was. Over a decade ago so the years may be fuzzing together.

If I remember correctly someone here came up with TrInt and whitlock kiped it.

Sandy Vagina · 12-30-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers

Even Mav has finally hopped off Alice Smiff's dick, but here you are still making excuses. Keep ****ing that chicken.

I'm not going to even talk about Mav at this point... though I'm sure he could figure out what I'd say.. but I'll leave that alone.

I'll stand strong until Alex shows me what he can do (again) with a decent OL and WR corps. If KC upgrades there, and he still plays small ball, 1 read, 3 yd per pass? Then, I will be done for sure. Not even worried about that. I have zero doubt that Alex will play well if KC can do what needs to be done.

keg in kc · 12-30-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Alex is 13th in passer rating. He's 23rd in total QBR. Split it down the middle and call him the 18th best QB in the league if you like.

I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.

keg in kc · 12-30-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

If I remember correctly someone here came up with TrInt and whitlock kiped it.

That does ring a bell now that you mention it.

And that would be a totally whitlock thing to do.

Sandy Vagina · 12-30-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.

both are horribly flawed.. and simply a cheap shit way to spin an agenda...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-30-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think what that really shows is just how fallacious the quarterback rating statistic really is, which was why they developed QBR in the first place. His rating was high basically because a bunch of short passes inflated his completion percentage. His QBR is probably a more honest representation of his actual value.

Exactly.

QB rating is the most worthless statistic kept in pro football.

According to the NFL, this stat line is a great game:

14/18, 90 yards, 2TD, 0INT.

124.5 rating, in a game where said QB's team lost by 20 points.

The quickest way for me to devalue your football opinions is to use QB rating as an indicator of QB play.

bsroyals54 · 12-30-2014, 01:44 PM

Matt Cassel is a good QB

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2014, 01:44 PM

Comparing Green to Smith is nearly impossible.

As much as Smith sucked this season (and the offensive line is definitely part of the reason), Trent Green wouldn't have lasted two games with this line. In terms of being "injury prone", Trent Green needed three full years to fully recover from an ACL tear. He would have been knocked into retirement behind the 2014 offensive line.

The line doesn't exonerate Smith's poor play and lack of TD's to WR's or his inability to thread the needle. But if the Reid and Dorsey want to avoid sitting home in January for the remainder of their tenure, they'll need to fix this offensive line as quickly as possible.

Otherwise, they'll both be looking for work by 2017.

Edit: Oh, and find some guys that can catch the freakin' ball.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-30-2014, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bsroyals54

Matt Cassel is a good QB

According to some here, he's just as good as Alex Smith.

One has a career 82.8 rating, the other has a career 80.1.

jd1020 · 12-30-2014, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

According to some here, he's just as good as Alex Smith.

One has a career 82.8 rating, the other has a career 80.1.

I'd put them both in the same category of QBs good enough to start for franchises that simply dont care.

Dayze · 12-30-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Yes, it kind of does. You said KC technically paid him $4.6M.

I know you are a dumbass and all and Alex is on your speed dial, so please jump off the top of the Golden Gate Bridge.

this part made me chuckle.

keg in kc · 12-30-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

According to some here, he's just as good as Alex Smith.

One has a career 82.8 rating, the other has a career 80.1.

Can you imagine how much shit people would be giving another team (let's use Denver as an example) if their last two quarterbacks were Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

We still get chuckles out of Tim Teblow and everybody's happy to hammer the last nail in Manning's coffin.

All while we spend years trying to rationalize being okay with Matt Cassel and Alex Smith.

Stockholm syndrome?

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cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Comparing Green to Smith is nearly impossible. As much as Smith sucked this season (and the offensive line is definitely part of the reason), Trent Green wouldn't have lasted two games with this line. In terms of being "injury prone", Trent Green needed three full years to fully recover from an ACL tear. He would have been knocked into retirement behind the 2014 offensive line. The line doesn't exonerate Smith's poor play and lack of TD's to WR's or his inability to thread the needle. But if the Reid and Dorsey want to avoid sitting home in January for the remainder of their tenure, they'll need to fix this offensive line as quickly as possible. Otherwise, they'll both be looking for work by 2017. Edit: Oh, and find some guys that can catch the freakin' ball.
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