Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 21

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

Simply Red · 12-30-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No one has said that Smith, Reid, Dorsey, or Hunt are going. That's as dipshitted a strawman as you'll ever see.

No is saying the Chiefs are set at WR or OL. In fact, everyone acknowledges that the guard and tackle play on this team was horrendous and that the WRs leave something to be desired, but if you actually look at a lot of other teams, the Chiefs are no worse than middle of the pack in skill position players. Charles is a top three back, Kelce is a top 10 TE, DAT is the false bill of goods McCluster was supposed to be and a Pro Bowl specialist in year one, and Dwayne Bowe is, at worst, a top level WR #2. And for Bowe supposedly needing so many boots in the ass he sure seemed to do fine his first two years here.

It's also not naked speculation to suggest that Smith needs better and likely won't succeed even with better. He had a defense with two prime HOFers , three additional Pro Bowlers (including record setting performances by age from a pass rusher), the best OL in football, the most athletically gifted TE in the history of football, a top 5-7 back, and he couldn't beat a 9-7 Giants team at home that scored 17 points in regulation.

You can't horde talent on teams like the 80s and you can't hide your quarterback. So yeah, people are going to want something different at quarterback because...gasp... you need something better at QB to win in the NFL.

Marty Schottenheimer's career is not aspirational.

Hi Hamas - Do you think DAT will have a comparable career to Percy Harvin? Maybe through his first 6 or 7 yrs - or however long PH has been in the NFL.

I'm excited about this kid and think him and Kelce will wind up tremendous. I'm not good at guessing or recognizing talent as most of you are, as I tried to believe in Linkenbach a few weeks ago - but srsly - how do you feel about DAT's future - maybe expand on him a little more, here.

ODESSABRONC · 12-30-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I suppose. Then you eat some cheese.

'Cheese' in this situation would be a couple of guards, a tackle, and something resembling an NFL WR corps.

Maybe then Reid would be able to call the odd downfield passing play without It being a wasted down.

No cheese doesn't help. It irritates the bowels and makes matters worse.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-30-2014, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red

Hi Hamas - Do you think DAT will have a comparable career to Percy Harvin? Maybe through his first 6 or 7 yrs - or however long PH has been in the NFL.

I'm excited about this kid and think him and Kelce will wind up tremendous. I'm not good at guessing or recognizing talent as most of you are, as I tried to believe in Linkenbach a few weeks ago - but srsly - how do you feel about DAT's future - maybe expand on him a little more, here.

I think he's Dave Meggett minus the SNR gene.

**hometeam** · 12-30-2014, 06:05 PM

What the **** is this thread.? everyone knows that the shit is easy now. Alex throwing 10% less yards and 30% less TD's is an indictment, not a positive stat.

FML · 12-30-2014, 06:06 PM

I can make an argument that Alex is a top 5 QB. Just look at his win loss record the last five years. Stats are for losers.

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

'Boot in Bowe's ass' was the best thing Haley did while here, unfortunately it wore off the instant Haley left.

'Boot in DJ's ass' was awesome too; fortunately, it seems to have taken hold, in DJ's case.

Too bad it wasn't Bowe with the bum wheel. DJ may never get anywhere close to his level.

Jason Avant can catch 40 - some odd passes for 500 yds and no TDs every year.

If some thick heads want to use the 'anyone could do what Alex does' argument, the same could be said about Bowe. Avant showed up here and was instantly the best receiver on the roster. And he had just been CUT. By Carolina. Another team where Bowe might be the #3 WR on the roster.

But the real point is : Haley was a lot better at maximizing a players effort and turning potential into production than people give him credit for.

It isn't 2010 anymore. The WR Whisperer is gone, and he took Bowe's 15 TDs with him. Fat Andy can't call Bowe a fat ass like Haley literally did. He's too nice. And fat.

They're all too nice. And fat.

Nice guys finish last.

Simply Red · 12-30-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think he's Dave Meggett minus the SNR gene.

Is that good?

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FML

I can make an argument that Alex is a top 5 QB. Just look at his win loss record the last five years. Stats are for losers.

If I repped people, I would give you a '+1' for the truth.

Edit : top 5 is a bit extreme, but top 10 for sure.

Simply Red · 12-30-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

'Boot in Bowe's ass' was the best thing Haley did while here, unfortunately it wore off the instant Haley left.

Gross - Did he really?

rabblerouser · 12-30-2014, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC

No cheese doesn't help. It irritates the bowels and makes matters worse.

I'll take your word for it.

**Baby Lee** · 12-30-2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No one has said that Smith, Reid, Dorsey, or Hunt are going. That's as dipshitted a strawman as you'll ever see.

Speaking of dipshitted strawmen, that's not what I said at all.

I'm talking about the contingent that think the entire organization is utterly doomed until most or all are gone. They might not believe it will happen, but they DO believe it must for anything positive to happen.

**hometeam** · 12-30-2014, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FML

I can make an argument that Alex is a top 5 QB. Just look at his win loss record the last five years. Stats are for losers.

OH

stevieray · 12-30-2014, 06:13 PM

oh boy! does this mean our defense will completely collapse next year?

Discuss Thrower · 12-30-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Speaking of dipshitted strawmen, that's not what I said at all.

I'm talking about the contingent that think the entire organization is utterly doomed until most or all are gone. They might not believe it will happen, but they DO believe it must for anything positive to happen.

Define "doom."

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-30-2014, 06:14 PM

Alex Smith has never had a 900 yard WR. Oddly, in Colin Kaepernick's first year as a starter he got 1179 yards from Anquan Boldin and another 1062 this year. Once Kaepernick replaced Smith in 2012, Crabtree became an 85 YPG receiver (1290 yard pace), where with Smith he was a 55 YPG receiver (880 yards).

But Alex just gets ****ed by those WRs.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Alex Smith has never had a 900 yard WR. Oddly, in Colin Kaepernick's first year as a starter he got 1179 yards from Anquan Boldin and another 1062 this year. Once Kaepernick replaced Smith in 2012, Crabtree became an 85 YPG receiver (1290 yard pace), where with Smith he was a 55 YPG receiver (880 yards). But Alex just gets ****ed by those WRs.
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