Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 32

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:00 PM

Don't tell me having 2 competent TE'S and T.Y Hilton is hindering his ability. Let alone Moncrief, and Wayne. That team is talented.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Der Flöprer

Don't tell having 2 competent TE'S and T.Y Hilton is hindering his ability.

Since he threw for 5000 yards and 40 TDs I'd say his ability is shining through.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:03 PM

16 picks
13 fumbles

1-5 against quality opponents

Terrible losses to Denver, Dallas, New England and Pittsburgh.

Has a division of Tenn / JAX / Houston

So impressed.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

Since he threw for 5000 yards and 40 TDs I'd say his ability is shining through.

I'd have never guessed he did that this year based on the last month. Don't get me wrong though, I think he's elite. I just think he's losing this week.

WhiteWhale · 12-31-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is a very wise post.

Even with the NFL's relaxed passing rules, which should have ushered in another 1983 type draft every few years, it just hasn't happened.

While we've seen no shortage of Tony Gonzalez-style TE's, the 10-15 year Franchise QB remains elusive for the overwhelming majority of NFL teams.

I don't see that trend changing.

I don't think the problem is the QB prospects themselves. I think the problem is the league they're entering.

Most great QB's that come to my mind all had adversity early in their careers. Walsh tried to replace Montana. Johnson tried to replace Aikman. Reeves tried to replace Elway. Steve Young was a disaster for Tampa. I don't know if you can count Marino's bad senior season and subsequent draft slide, but it put a chip on his shoulder.

It applies to Brady, Brees, and Rogers as well. Guys like Manning and Luck who enter on a golden chariot, handed the kingdom, and seem to progress in a positive direction the entire time appear to be the minority of great QB's.

Young QB's are too coddled and then given up on very swiftly. I don't mean they give up on them early. I mean the coach will roll a guy out there for 3-4 years while he sucks. They'll believe in them, coddle them, and then pull the plug as a reactionary measure to fans being pissed.

My point is that teams get the starter and then make roster decisions to protect his position and his confidence rather than bring in competition that may legitimately threaten the QB's job and force them to work harder and up their game. I know there are salary reasons for that as well, but that's my opinion. Qb's seem to have plenty of talent entering the league.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

16 picks
13 fumbles

1-5 against quality opponents

Terrible losses to Denver, Dallas, New England and Pittsburgh.

Has a division of Tenn / JAX / Houston

So impressed.

And that's a point you have to acknowledge Clay, because it's your talking point on fraudulent 9-0.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 01:10 PM

I'll acknowledge it when Luck stops being the singular driving force behind that franchise's success.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

I'll acknowledge it when Luck stops being the singular driving force behind that franchise's success.

I'm going to change your username to Chuck Pagano's Cancer.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:13 PM

That's just hilarious to me.

See

On one franchise, the QB is the "singular driving force." Nevermind all of the errors he makes, or all of the receivers he misses (I saw Luck miss a wide open Reggie Wayne streaking down the sideline for a 70 yard TD that was every bit as bad of a miss as the Smith / Wilson miss).

All anyone says is, "Luck has to do it himself! His line doesn't block! His defense is terrible!"

Bull
****ing
Shit

You can't use excuses for one QB because his name is Andrew Luck and then turn around and consider those same excuses invalid for another QB because his name is Alex Smith, and it's counterproductive to your argument.

It's ridiculous.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 01:14 PM

What? Alex wasn't near the top of the league in every passing statistic.

Make some goddamn sense. The Colts don't even have a RB. You put Alex on that team and they suck.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:20 PM

the TD and yardage stat is completely useless when determining the worth of a QB

Andrew Luck threw for 400 yards and 3 TD's against Pittsburgh in a game where he put his team in a gigantic hole he could never recover from in the 1st half and used the 2nd half to put up an entire half worth of garbage points, yards and TD

He was god damn terrible against Dallas, Denver, New England and Pitt.

His last 4 weeks of the season he had QBR's of 38, 30, 11 and 50 and his team won 3 of those 4 games because they played Savage, Bortles, Romo (he was benched in the 3rd) and Whitehurst.

38
30
11
50

He wasn't good this year, he was average.

But people will say, "well he threw for 40 TD's and 4800 yards!!!"

He had a 20 : 2 TD/INT against Jax/Ten/WAS/NYG

He threw 16 picks and had 13 fumbles.

He had plenty of help on his side of the ball. Plenty.

Enough is enough. Stop making excuses for guys because they are name QB's. Either watch the games and formulate your own opinions or

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Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

What? Alex wasn't near the top of the league in every passing statistic.

Make some goddamn sense. The Colts don't even have a RB. You put Alex on that team and they suck.

The Colts amassed so many yards playing from behind this year it skews the numbers.

There is no metric that suggests Andrew Luck had an elite year. None.

He was 12th in QBR this year. Now, I don't think QBR is end all, be all ...

but I live in Colts nation, I am force fed every Colts game on my local channels ...

Andrew Luck is a good QB. However, he is so overrated because his name i Andrew Luck right now it is insane.

He is nowhere close to Aaron Rodgers / Tom Brady / Peyton Manning.

He is in the Eli Manning / Philip Rivers tier.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Enough is enough. Stop making excuses for guys because they are name QB's. Either watch the games and formulate your own opinions or

.

In what world is that Colts team anything without Andrew Luck?

He is the reason they are any good. 100%.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

In what world is that Colts team anything without Andrew Luck?

He is the reason they are any good. 100%.

I think what he's trying to tell you is that they really aren't all that good. They're a product of their schedule and division.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:26 PM

You sit there and call Andrew Luck elite even though he was 0-4 against elite NFL teams (and lost every game in considerable fashion) and played about the same schedule as Alex Smith played last year when Alex Smith went 11-4.

but Luck gets all of the credit despite his 16 picks and 13 fumbles because he's allegedly a "1 man team", and Alex just got lucky ... you know ... for 53 games in a row.

53 games and he keeps winning more than he loses.

But it has nothing to do with Alex and everything to do with everyone else.

You can't use one argument against one guy and then completely ignore it against another guy.

12-30-2014, 11:06 AM
cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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12-31-2014, 01:03 PM	#468
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	16 picks 13 fumbles 1-5 against quality opponents Terrible losses to Denver, Dallas, New England and Pittsburgh. Has a division of Tenn / JAX / Houston So impressed.
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12-31-2014, 01:10 PM	#472
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $990478	I'll acknowledge it when Luck stops being the singular driving force behind that franchise's success. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-31-2014, 01:13 PM	#474
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	That's just hilarious to me. See On one franchise, the QB is the "singular driving force." Nevermind all of the errors he makes, or all of the receivers he misses (I saw Luck miss a wide open Reggie Wayne streaking down the sideline for a 70 yard TD that was every bit as bad of a miss as the Smith / Wilson miss). All anyone says is, "Luck has to do it himself! His line doesn't block! His defense is terrible!" Bull ****ing Shit You can't use excuses for one QB because his name is Andrew Luck and then turn around and consider those same excuses invalid for another QB because his name is Alex Smith, and it's counterproductive to your argument. It's ridiculous.
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12-31-2014, 01:14 PM	#475
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $990478	What? Alex wasn't near the top of the league in every passing statistic. Make some goddamn sense. The Colts don't even have a RB. You put Alex on that team and they suck. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-31-2014, 01:20 PM	#476
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	the TD and yardage stat is completely useless when determining the worth of a QB Andrew Luck threw for 400 yards and 3 TD's against Pittsburgh in a game where he put his team in a gigantic hole he could never recover from in the 1st half and used the 2nd half to put up an entire half worth of garbage points, yards and TD He was god damn terrible against Dallas, Denver, New England and Pitt. His last 4 weeks of the season he had QBR's of 38, 30, 11 and 50 and his team won 3 of those 4 games because they played Savage, Bortles, Romo (he was benched in the 3rd) and Whitehurst. 38 30 11 50 He wasn't good this year, he was average. But people will say, "well he threw for 40 TD's and 4800 yards!!!" He had a 20 : 2 TD/INT against Jax/Ten/WAS/NYG He threw 16 picks and had 13 fumbles. He had plenty of help on his side of the ball. Plenty. Enough is enough. Stop making excuses for guys because they are name QB's. Either watch the games and formulate your own opinions or .
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12-31-2014, 01:26 PM	#480
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	You sit there and call Andrew Luck elite even though he was 0-4 against elite NFL teams (and lost every game in considerable fashion) and played about the same schedule as Alex Smith played last year when Alex Smith went 11-4. but Luck gets all of the credit despite his 16 picks and 13 fumbles because he's allegedly a "1 man team", and Alex just got lucky ... you know ... for 53 games in a row. 53 games and he keeps winning more than he loses. But it has nothing to do with Alex and everything to do with everyone else. You can't use one argument against one guy and then completely ignore it against another guy.
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