Chiefs "Alex Smith makes your defense better" - Page 19

temper11 · 06-29-2015, 02:58 PM

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

donkhater · 07-23-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Packfan12

I am willing to put a sign bet down on the game. If we beat Seattle then we will be confident going into the game against you guys. If we lose against Seattle then we will be demoralized and you guys have a shot to beat us.

Last year, the record for teams following the week after they play Seattle was pretty poor, Likely due to the emotional letdown and the physically of the game itself.

Hell, KC lost to an 0-10 team after beating Seattle last year.

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a serious comment. Aaron Rodgers won a Super Bowl with pretty much his entire offense missing. Peyton Mannings final years with the Colts he played with an atrocious ol... He also played mvp football in Denver two years ago with pretty much his entire ol injured. Brees several years ago did it with a banged up ol and wr injuries that forced terrence copper to be their #2. Brady made the afcg with Gaffney and reche Caldwell as his #1 and #2. Big Ben has won many games with a trash ol.

Again, it does not excuse bad play. But stop with the bullshit that because the supporting cast didn't do their job that absolves Smith from all blame. There are plenty of things he can do to elevate the play of his teammates that he does very inconsistently.

.. and you still can't read, it seems. Rodgers had consistent scheme and excellent WRs on his side. Manning has excellent weapons also. Big Ben has had some very good weapons at his disposal as well. Most if not all the QBs you mention are regarded as elite QBs.. being compared to Alex, who no one claims is elite.

As for Brees, he holds the same record as Alex as of late.. 10-12. Why is Brees not overcoming his team deficiencies? Where are the SB rings for these guys lately?

You guys can think what you want of the "49ers" fans here.. you can slurp up whatever random crap guys like Sorter throw out there, but you still can not reasonably debate what it is that I am stating.

You can't seem to grasp the simple conclusion that good/great QBs can overcome a deficient OL or WR group alone... but not combined... and yet you expect Alex to? That's just going full potato.

Packfan12 · 07-23-2015, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Make that a four TD lead in the playoffs and you'll know how we felt January of 2014.

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Originally Posted by donkhater

Last year, the record for teams following the week after they play Seattle was pretty poor, Likely due to the emotional letdown and the physically of the game itself.

Hell, KC lost to an 0-10 team after beating Seattle last year.

So your saying it might be better that we lose to Seattle?

Mother****erJones · 07-23-2015, 10:10 AM

PFF is hilarious. Some schmuck from Ireland (?) grading the NFL.

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 10:23 AM

Sweet Christmas, we've been over this so many times!

At points in time you could argue that Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Ryan Tannehill and Carson Palmer had subpar OL and WRs and still excelled.

Just Passin' By · 07-23-2015, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

You can't seem to grasp the simple conclusion that good/great QBs can overcome a deficient OL or WR group alone... but not combined... and yet you expect Alex to? That's just going full potato.

You keep making this argument when I've already dealt with it and given examples of QBs who've done it.

**Bowser** · 07-23-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Packfan12

2003 by far. We had you guys beat and gave up a 3 TD lead to lose in overtime. That one hurt for a week.

Ah, memories....

Reerun_KC · 07-23-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

So we're back to sticking our fingers in our ears and going LALALALALALALALALA OFFENSIVE LINE LALAALALAALALALA

"But Alex Smith..."

LALALALLA OFFENSIVE LINE

"Andy Reid..."

OFFENSIVE LINE! LALALALA! I CAN'T HEEEEAAAR YOOOUUUU

The reidcuses crows will be in full swing by mid season.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-23-2015, 11:23 AM

Please stop the AS11 bullshit. JFC it's just awful.

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You keep making this argument when I've already dealt with it and given examples of QBs who've done it.

You must have given some really vague and inaccurate examples then.

The list of QBs to excel with shit OL AND shit WRs all during consecutive seasons was responded to with 1 somewhat accurate name... Russell Wilson... and even he was putting up Alex-like numbers.

So the list is: 0 and counting...

Discuss Thrower · 07-23-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

PFF is hilarious. Some schmuck from Ireland (?) grading the NFL.

The dude could dub over almost every Gabriel Byrne movie and no one would notice. That's how Irish he is.

Just Passin' By · 07-23-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

You must have given some really vague and inaccurate examples then.

The list of QBs to excel with shit OL AND shit WRs all during consecutive seasons was responded to with 1 somewhat accurate name... Russell Wilson... and even he was putting up Alex-like numbers.

So the list is: 0 and counting...

Given that you responded to it with a "thank you", it's more a case of you deliberately ignoring that discussion. Here's the page it's on:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...php?p=11592583

Here's my first post on the subject:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=655

Your response post:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=657

My answer to your request for more info:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=658

And, after that, it was silence on your end.

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Given that you responded to it with a "thank you", it's more a case of you deliberately ignoring that discussion. Here's the page it's on:

And, after that, it was silence on your end.

Ah, yes.. now I remember. The thank you was genuine.. and was in response to you at least trying to answer the question. As for the names.. I don't see many.. and will dig into the legitimacy when I make more time to. Appreciate the refresh.

Pablo · 07-23-2015, 12:02 PM

Alice gave my dog AIDS. Aside from being a bottom half QB, he's also a bottom half when it comes to dog ****ing.

Sick bastard.

Just Passin' By · 07-23-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Ah, yes.. now I remember. The thank you was genuine.. and was in response to you at least trying to answer the question. As for the names.. I don't see many.. and will dig into the legitimacy when I make more time to. Appreciate the refresh.

Of course you don't see many names. You were asking for a very small subset of players/teams. By only equating success with a SB win, you're starting with a max of 49 situations, right from the start. Then, coupling that with the specific weaknesses mentioned:

Bad OL
Bad WR

you naturally will get an even smaller number.

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