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beach tribe · 11-01-2015, 02:28 PM

Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas

The news is rather surprising given that Thomas is under contract through 2018 -- he has no guaranteed money for 2016 -- and Mack, who was almost lost in free agency to the Jacksonville Jaguars a season ago, has a no-trade clause. Mack -- who was listed by our Marc Sessler as a prime trade candidate earlier this week -- can opt out of his long-term deal after this season, though, which could be a motivating factor.

Still, this is an interesting and rather unorthodox approach to the trade deadline. The team likely feels they can replace Mack with 2015 first-round pick Cam Erving and slot one of their other highly-regarded offensive linemen in for Thomas.

Rapoport added that the team is also open to dealing former high-priced free agent acquisition Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick from the 2013 draft. This, after already dealing Trent Richardson, their No. 3 overall pick from the 2012 draft. If you're just now sensing a pattern here, catch up. This is Browns football.

This would be the ultimate white flag raised on the 2015 season considering the Browns were going to hang their hat on the run game. Thomas has been one of the franchise's greatest players and, in a way, a trade to a contending opponent would be bittersweet. On one hand, he could finally put his skills to better use, but on the other, he would be departing a team that hinged on his professionalism for years.

Many of these talks often break down but scars from certain names leaking remain. So if general manager Ray Farmer is interested in getting it done, the clock is ticking. Nov. 3, 4 p.m. ET is coming quite soon.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...and-joe-thomas

Amnorix · 11-03-2015, 09:12 AM

Rumor is Denver has offered a 1st for Thomas, but Browns want more than that. At least from Denver, which obviously wont' be picking in the top 10 or anything...

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The Broncos are buyers and the Browns are sellers as this afternoon’s NFL trade deadline approaches, and there has apparently been talk of the Broncos buying the Browns’ most valuable asset.

Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com reports that the Browns and Broncos discussed a trade for All-Pro left tackle Joe Thomas, and the Broncos were willing to give up their 2016 first-round pick. However, the Browns wanted even more than that, also asking for the promising young linebacker Shaq Barrett, and the Broncos decided that was too much.

Those discussions came after the Broncos lost their first left tackle, Ryan Clady, to a season-ending injury but before the Broncos lost their second left tackle, Ty Sambrailo, to a season-ending injury. It’s possible that the Broncos could be willing to sweeten the offer today after placing Sambrailo on injured reserve yesterday.

Thomas is signed through 2018 at $10 million a year — a fair price for a left tackle as good as Thomas, but a price that would make him a tight fit under the Broncos’ salary cap. The cap issues and the hefty price the Browns are asking makes a Thomas trade unlikely. But it bears watching in the next seven hours, before the trade deadline hits

Quesadilla Joe · 11-03-2015, 09:19 AM

Yeah there's no way in hell I'd give them Shaq Barrett. I wouldn't trade Shaq for Joe Thomas straight up, let alone Shaq+ a first round pick. Shaq is making like $500,000 a year and is under Denver's control until 2018. Joe Thomas is a HOF'er, but he's 30 years old (turns 31 in Dec) and he makes a lot of money.

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-03-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

He'll go to Denver watch. Meanwhile we'll settle with Fisher at LT lol

They already blew a high 1st for a LT, do you really want them to blow another high 1st for one?

Mile High Mania · 11-03-2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Rumor is Denver has offered a 1st for Thomas, but Browns want more than that. At least from Denver, which obviously wont' be picking in the top 10 or anything...

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Report: Broncos offered Browns a first-round pick for Joe Thomas

http://wp.me/p4QSB-9TTp

I trust they'll make the right call... don't like giving up young guys, but JT is a great add and still has 3-4 years left at least. Don't know that I'm too keen on subtracting from that defense though.

**Rausch** · 11-03-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

He'll go to Denver watch. Meanwhile we'll settle with Fisher at LT lol

Yup.

If not for the steep price this is a no-brainer for us...

jonzie04 · 11-03-2015, 09:45 AM

A first round pick, or more for Thomas seems like it would be moronic. That being said though, Elway is a great GM, so who am I to question him. But damn it seems like way too much value for a guy that old, even if he is going to the HOF.

Mile High Mania · 11-03-2015, 09:45 AM

Reading one of those Grossi articles from ESPN Cleveland... makes it sound like they talked earlier in the season about a R1, not necessarily any time recently.

"According to a source, the Browns had talks with the Denver Broncos early in the season after Denver lost left tackle Ryan Clady to injury in the preseason. The Broncos were willing to part with their first-round pick in 2016, but the Browns also asked for second-year linebacker Shaq Barrett, and that apparently killed the deal.

Coincidentally, Barrett had a big hand in Denver’s 26-23 overtime win over the Browns in Cleveland on Oct. 18. Playing in place of injured DeMarcus Ware, Barrett led the Broncos with nine tackles, had 1.5 sacks, forced a fumble, had three other tackles for loss, forced a fumble and defensed a pass."

I doubt anything happens ... sounds like a bunch of hype generated from online folks.

**Rausch** · 11-03-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Not sure why you just wouldn't put Fisher back at RT, who has at least been serviceable.

From there you just need to sort out your shit Guard situation.

Which can be drafted in rounds 2-4.

Allowing us to go QB/WR in round 1...

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-03-2015, 09:54 AM

Can we get rid of this 'Fisher is AIDS' narrative?

The guy has been solid if not good this year. Give credit when due.

**Rausch** · 11-03-2015, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Can we get rid of this 'Fisher is AIDS' narrative?

The guy has been solid if not good this year. Give credit when due.

By this year you mean 3 games?...

Mother****erJones · 11-03-2015, 10:04 AM

He's going to Denver...fantastic. That's what winning teams do they continue to get better.

**Rausch** · 11-03-2015, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

He's going to Denver...fantastic. That's what winning teams do they continue to get better.

GM good at adding talent from all three phases?

Check.

QB?

Check.

Profit...

RunKC · 11-03-2015, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

GM good at adding talent from all three phases?

Check.

QB?

Check.

Profit...

NFL history says this approach never works

Mile High Mania · 11-03-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

He's going to Denver...fantastic. That's what winning teams do they continue to get better.

They're not going to pull off the trade, CLE will want more than Denver is willing to part with and that's fine.

Quesadilla Joe · 11-03-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

NFL history says this approach never works

Denver won back to back Super Bowls doing this. Denver has signed more free agents than any team since free agency began, and over the past 30+ years Denver has the highest winning percentage and more Super Bowl appearances than any team in the league. NFL history says this approach has worked VERY WELL for Denver.

11-01-2015, 02:28 PM
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3898036	Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas The news is rather surprising given that Thomas is under contract through 2018 -- he has no guaranteed money for 2016 -- and Mack, who was almost lost in free agency to the Jacksonville Jaguars a season ago, has a no-trade clause. Mack -- who was listed by our Marc Sessler as a prime trade candidate earlier this week -- can opt out of his long-term deal after this season, though, which could be a motivating factor. Still, this is an interesting and rather unorthodox approach to the trade deadline. The team likely feels they can replace Mack with 2015 first-round pick Cam Erving and slot one of their other highly-regarded offensive linemen in for Thomas. Rapoport added that the team is also open to dealing former high-priced free agent acquisition Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick from the 2013 draft. This, after already dealing Trent Richardson, their No. 3 overall pick from the 2012 draft. If you're just now sensing a pattern here, catch up. This is Browns football. This would be the ultimate white flag raised on the 2015 season considering the Browns were going to hang their hat on the run game. Thomas has been one of the franchise's greatest players and, in a way, a trade to a contending opponent would be bittersweet. On one hand, he could finally put his skills to better use, but on the other, he would be departing a team that hinged on his professionalism for years. Many of these talks often break down but scars from certain names leaking remain. So if general manager Ray Farmer is interested in getting it done, the clock is ticking. Nov. 3, 4 p.m. ET is coming quite soon. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...and-joe-thomas
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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Yeah there's no way in hell I'd give them Shaq Barrett. I wouldn't trade Shaq for Joe Thomas straight up, let alone Shaq+ a first round pick. Shaq is making like $500,000 a year and is under Denver's control until 2018. Joe Thomas is a HOF'er, but he's 30 years old (turns 31 in Dec) and he makes a lot of money. Last edited by Quesadilla Joe; 11-03-2015 at 09:30 AM..
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $907229	Reading one of those Grossi articles from ESPN Cleveland... makes it sound like they talked earlier in the season about a R1, not necessarily any time recently. "According to a source, the Browns had talks with the Denver Broncos early in the season after Denver lost left tackle Ryan Clady to injury in the preseason. The Broncos were willing to part with their first-round pick in 2016, but the Browns also asked for second-year linebacker Shaq Barrett, and that apparently killed the deal. Coincidentally, Barrett had a big hand in Denver’s 26-23 overtime win over the Browns in Cleveland on Oct. 18. Playing in place of injured DeMarcus Ware, Barrett led the Broncos with nine tackles, had 1.5 sacks, forced a fumble, had three other tackles for loss, forced a fumble and defensed a pass." I doubt anything happens ... sounds like a bunch of hype generated from online folks. __________________
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