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beach tribe · 11-01-2015, 02:28 PM

Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas

The news is rather surprising given that Thomas is under contract through 2018 -- he has no guaranteed money for 2016 -- and Mack, who was almost lost in free agency to the Jacksonville Jaguars a season ago, has a no-trade clause. Mack -- who was listed by our Marc Sessler as a prime trade candidate earlier this week -- can opt out of his long-term deal after this season, though, which could be a motivating factor.

Still, this is an interesting and rather unorthodox approach to the trade deadline. The team likely feels they can replace Mack with 2015 first-round pick Cam Erving and slot one of their other highly-regarded offensive linemen in for Thomas.

Rapoport added that the team is also open to dealing former high-priced free agent acquisition Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick from the 2013 draft. This, after already dealing Trent Richardson, their No. 3 overall pick from the 2012 draft. If you're just now sensing a pattern here, catch up. This is Browns football.

This would be the ultimate white flag raised on the 2015 season considering the Browns were going to hang their hat on the run game. Thomas has been one of the franchise's greatest players and, in a way, a trade to a contending opponent would be bittersweet. On one hand, he could finally put his skills to better use, but on the other, he would be departing a team that hinged on his professionalism for years.

Many of these talks often break down but scars from certain names leaking remain. So if general manager Ray Farmer is interested in getting it done, the clock is ticking. Nov. 3, 4 p.m. ET is coming quite soon.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...and-joe-thomas

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-03-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And now their defense might be the best in the league...

Thanks to Wades trickery

**The Franchise** · 11-03-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Thanks to Wades trickery

Trickery? It's called talent.

**Rausch** · 11-03-2015, 10:56 AM

If the Browns want more than a 1st give them Fisher AND a 1st...

Quesadilla Joe · 11-03-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I can't readily determine who singed "the most" free agents, but tons of free agent signings are street free agents immediately after the draft. Are you counting those too, or just veterans?

So other than your basic premise being wrong, your facts being wrong, and your entire point being completely irrelevant anyway, this was a great post.

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Since the advent of unrestricted free agency in 1993, the Broncos have signed 106 players, the highest number in the entire league. Patrick Smyth, the Broncos' director of media relations, confirmed the total.

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_18466099

That article was written in 2011, which was before Denver signed Manning, Talib, Ware, Welker, Emmanuel Sanders, Terrence Knighton.......

Mile High Mania · 11-03-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_18466099

That article was written in 2011, which was before Denver signed Manning, Talib, Ware, Welker, Emmanuel Sanders, Terrence Knighton.......

Who giveth a shit, really? They have signed a metric ton of FAs because in some years, the draft classes were complete misfires. That's just the simple, ugly truth of it all.

Quesadilla Joe · 11-03-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Who giveth a shit, really? They have signed a metric ton of FAs because in some years, the draft classes were complete misfires. That's just the simple, ugly truth of it all.

Our Super Bowl winning teams were loaded with free agents. (Zimmerman, Schlereth, Tony Jones, Howard Griffith, Romo, McCaffery, Willie Green, Darrien Gordon, Tyrone Braxton, Glenn Cadrez, Neil Smith, Keith Traylor, Alfred Williams, Ray Crocket)

I was just disputing the post that claimed that acquiring players from other teams doesn't work...

Mile High Mania · 11-03-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Our Super Bowl winning teams were loaded with free agents. (Zimmerman, Schlereth, Tony Jones, Howard Griffith, Romo, McCaffery, Willie Green, Darrien Gordon, Tyrone Braxton, Glenn Cadrez, Neil Smith, Keith Traylor, Alfred Williams, Ray Crocket)

I was just disputing the post that claimed that acquiring players from other teams doesn't work...

Half the time people post something in your general direction... it's just poking you with a stick or general sarcasm. Of course people realize that teams have been built through FA to win SBs. It's not a consistent winning formula, year in and year out.

OctoberFart · 11-03-2015, 01:39 PM

You guys should send that crappy #1 pick Fisher, Smith, Reid and your #1 for Thomas. While your at it sweeten the deal with Dee "runaway" Ford.

ODESSABRONC · 11-03-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Thanks to Wades trickery

lol

**Rausch** · 11-03-2015, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OctoberFart

You guys should send that crappy #1 pick Fisher, Smith, Reid and your #1 for Thomas. While your at it sweeten the deal with Dee "runaway" Ford.

Ford's future as a situational pass rusher (at minimum) still looks bright.

I'd be glad to be rid of the rest...

Amnorix · 11-03-2015, 03:07 PM

Rumor is that the Broncos and Browns had worked out a deal -- Joe Thomas and a 4th for Denver's 1st and 2nd, but that the Broncos were racing to create cap room at the last minute.

And it seems they might have run out of time.

Browns HC at podium saying that it is "his understanding" that no moves were made by the Browns today.

Amnorix · 11-03-2015, 03:07 PM

And now confirmed.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 53s54 seconds ago
A potential Joe-Thomas-to-Denver deal that both sides were working on up until the deadline did not get completed, per league sources.

Mile High Mania · 11-03-2015, 03:09 PM

See, they also have to work within a cap and just couldn't pull a rabbit outta the hat this time...

**Rausch** · 11-03-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

See, they also have to work within a cap and just couldn't pull a rabbit outta the hat this time...

Can't say they didn't try...

Amnorix · 11-03-2015, 03:13 PM

I don't understand this "the cap is crap" nonsense. Sure, you can massage it and maneuver within it etc. etc., but it's very real, and today's gain is tomorrow's pain, OR VICE VERSA.

Pats took a bunch of dead money onto this year's cap to help free up room for next year, so we can extend Jones/Hightower/Collins (or some of them at least). The cap is all about choices.

11-01-2015, 02:28 PM
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3898036	Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas Browns looking to trade Alex Mack and Joe Thomas The news is rather surprising given that Thomas is under contract through 2018 -- he has no guaranteed money for 2016 -- and Mack, who was almost lost in free agency to the Jacksonville Jaguars a season ago, has a no-trade clause. Mack -- who was listed by our Marc Sessler as a prime trade candidate earlier this week -- can opt out of his long-term deal after this season, though, which could be a motivating factor. Still, this is an interesting and rather unorthodox approach to the trade deadline. The team likely feels they can replace Mack with 2015 first-round pick Cam Erving and slot one of their other highly-regarded offensive linemen in for Thomas. Rapoport added that the team is also open to dealing former high-priced free agent acquisition Paul Kruger and Barkevious Mingo, the No. 6 overall pick from the 2013 draft. This, after already dealing Trent Richardson, their No. 3 overall pick from the 2012 draft. If you're just now sensing a pattern here, catch up. This is Browns football. This would be the ultimate white flag raised on the 2015 season considering the Browns were going to hang their hat on the run game. Thomas has been one of the franchise's greatest players and, in a way, a trade to a contending opponent would be bittersweet. On one hand, he could finally put his skills to better use, but on the other, he would be departing a team that hinged on his professionalism for years. Many of these talks often break down but scars from certain names leaking remain. So if general manager Ray Farmer is interested in getting it done, the clock is ticking. Nov. 3, 4 p.m. ET is coming quite soon. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...and-joe-thomas
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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Rumor is that the Broncos and Browns had worked out a deal -- Joe Thomas and a 4th for Denver's 1st and 2nd, but that the Broncos were racing to create cap room at the last minute. And it seems they might have run out of time. Browns HC at podium saying that it is "his understanding" that no moves were made by the Browns today. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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11-03-2015, 03:07 PM	#192
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	And now confirmed. Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 53s54 seconds ago A potential Joe-Thomas-to-Denver deal that both sides were working on up until the deadline did not get completed, per league sources. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $907229	See, they also have to work within a cap and just couldn't pull a rabbit outta the hat this time... __________________
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11-03-2015, 03:13 PM	#195
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	I don't understand this "the cap is crap" nonsense. Sure, you can massage it and maneuver within it etc. etc., but it's very real, and today's gain is tomorrow's pain, OR VICE VERSA. Pats took a bunch of dead money onto this year's cap to help free up room for next year, so we can extend Jones/Hightower/Collins (or some of them at least). The cap is all about choices. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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