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Old 08-24-2016, 11:58 AM  
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Bosa rejects Chargers "best" offer
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Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere.
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:42 PM   #151
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No what they're REALLY arguing over is deferring his money in case he gets injured or busts because they're trying to protect themselves over a matter of 3 million dollars that he'll get anyway.

There's no way around that this is a bad contract. The number 2 and 4 guys also signed a bad contract. You're siding with the Chargers on this who are obviously in the wrong.
The money is guaranteed regardless. If i'm wrong about this, please post a link that says otherwise.

Other than that, this is about when he receives the money, not how much.

And why would someone care about WHEN they receive their guaranteed money?

A. Interest

B. They're a greedy douchebag.

I'm not siding with the Chargers. I couldn't give a flying ****. I hope he sits out the season. It'd make for some good drama.

I just want you to have your facts straight. If you're going to make such a strong opinion one way or the other, at least get the facts straight.
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:46 PM   #152
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Even if you take out the Jags, you are still left with the fact that most other top 5 teams have included either up front signing bonus or no offset language
Link?

Because we already debunked your "3rd overalls get this" argument. I'd love to see some validity to this claim.

From what i understand, Elliot agreed to the same terms that the Chargers are offering Bosa.

And again, the Jags picking in the top 5 for the past 3 years skews that data. As well as the Rams this year...so when you say "Most" what does that even mean?
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:48 PM   #153
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Sounds like both sides deserve some heat here

Bosa is an entitled dicksmack

The Chargers might be the worst run organization in the NFL, there isnt a lick of consistency in anything they do... without Rivers, they might even be worse than Cleveland
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:50 PM   #154
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Sounds like both sides deserve some heat here
usually the case
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:50 PM   #155
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Dude will be worthless if he sits out a year
Dude woulda been worthless even had he signed on time.

I've been telling every Charger fan that'll listen that he's gonna be bust. There's no ****ing way that he's going to live up to the hype.
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:52 PM   #156
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The money is guaranteed regardless. If i'm wrong about this, please post a link that says otherwise.
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The Chargers are demanding offset language, which allows them to recoup monies owed to Bosa if he were released and signed by another team, and partial deferment of the signing bonus into next year. The Bosa camp is agreeable to one or the other, but not both.
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At some point it's fair to ask, when is enough enough? Owners complained that rookies were making too much money under the previous CBA, so the league successfully fought for a rookie wage scale that dramatically slashed the guaranteed dollars when players entered the league. Instead of being content with that victory, however, owners now want to recoup monies if they cut the player and he signs elsewhere. In other words, they want the player to assume some of the financial risk for bad personnel decisions, an attitude that speaks to their arrogance and sense of entitlement.
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:52 PM   #157
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Dude woulda been worthless even had he signed on time.

I've been telling every Charger fan that'll listen that he's gonna be bust. There's no ****ing way that he's going to live up to the hype.
This is why I don't care.
The 5 or 6 other options for the 3rd pick wouldn't have been much better either.
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He still gets the $7 million, he just doesn't get the $7 million plus the signing bonus he'd get from the other team. That's the nature of an offset.

It essentially has Bosa's new team paying the Chargers back; a standard mitigation of damages kind of thing that's it virtually any other employment scenario.

That money's guaranteed - period.
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Don't side with The Man. Down with The Man. Pro union on this one.
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It is beyond comprehension to side with billionaire owners of the San Diego Chargers of all people. I guess that makes me an idiot or a union leader. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless if CP dudes want a spoiled rich athlete to suck it up and accept whatever terms they think up that benefit them and not the player.

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Right.

I thought this was understood? That doesn't dispute anything i've said, nor does it state that he won't be getting his guaranteed money in the event of an injury.
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I seriously doubt that he gets cut and picked up by another team in his first contract anyway. When a team invests a top pick in a player, they are going to try everything to make the pick work out. When was the last time that a player drafted in the top 3, hell the top 15, was released in his first contract? Hell, Tyson Jackson was awful and stayed through his contract. Why? Because he was the 3rd overall pick. If he was a 5th round pick, he would've been gone by the end of season 2 at the latest. So Bosa and the Chargers are making a big deal out of something that will NEVER happen anyway.
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It is beyond comprehension to side with billionaire owners of the San Diego Chargers of all people. I guess that makes me an idiot or a union leader. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless if CP dudes want a spoiled rich athlete to suck it up and accept whatever terms they think up that benefit them and not the player.

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What's beyond comprehension is your lack of comprehension. The Chargers aren't offering a bad contract. They're offering a standard contract (actually their latest offer is MORE than a standard contract) and Bosa is demanding more.

That's not taking sides. That's stating what's actually occurring.

At no point is Bosa not going to get his money. He's going to get paid. He's crying about WHEN he's going to receive it all.

NFL teams sign players with deferred signing bonuses all the time. It allows them to recoup a little interest money. Bosa, essentially wants that interest money for himself.

Again, they're essentially fighting over interest. Which is stupid. From both sides.
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I seriously doubt that he gets cut and picked up by another team in his first contract anyway. When a team invests a top pick in a player, they are going to try everything to make the pick work out. When was the last time that a player drafted in the top 3, hell the top 15, was released in his first contract? Hell, Tyson Jackson was awful and stayed through his contract. Why? Because he was the 3rd overall pick. If he was a 5th round pick, he would've been gone by the end of season 2 at the latest. So Bosa and the Chargers are making a big deal out of something that will NEVER happen anyway.
He won't get cut, he might sit out the entire season though.


He then goes into next year's draft. (i think that the rule now)
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Chargers exec John Spanos: Bosa's stance 'absolutely asinine'
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