Chiefs Should we take Foles' $10 mill option this offseason? - Page 3

**RealSNR** · 11-07-2016, 08:38 AM

So we've got him here. He appears to be a good backup. But his contract seems to indicate that Dorsey wanted to take a stab to see if he's better than Alex.

Is he worth it?

ToxSocks · 11-07-2016, 10:48 AM

**** no

**loochy** · 11-07-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Is Tyler Bray 10m better than Tyler Bray?

No, Tyler Bray is EXACTLY as good as Tyler Bray and he should get paid teh same as Tyler Bray.

**Bowser** · 11-07-2016, 10:51 AM

Not at 10 million

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2016, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Daniel got 7

I realize that but I don't think that Foles is worth $7 million to any team.

IMO, he's in Mark Sanchez territory.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2016, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Exactly. Foles is not worth 10 mil but if he will take a backup's salary then it might be worth it for Andy to turn him into a solid QB.

Unless Foles makes a huge a progression in Reid's offense this year (which is highly unlikely, IMO), no one is going to give Foles a starting job, let alone a "Premium" back up job.

His best bet, IMO, is continue to work with Reid as a backup QB and maybe get a chance to start somewhere in 2018 or 2019.

I just don't think there's going to be a market for Foles.

Saccopoo · 11-07-2016, 11:23 AM

As an NFL starter, Nick Foles is not better than Alex Smith. (And Smith is a very good NFL starting level QB.) Nick Foles is perfect for this team in the role he is currently serving in.

The question is as posed in the OP - is he better than Tyler Bray in the #2 role for the 2017 season? That will probably be ruminated for the rest of the season by Dorsey and the coaching staff and equate it to the dollars required to keep him in that role and what it costs to keep Bray in the #3 position or finally move him up to the #2 (if they deem him capable of filling that role).

I personally feel that the Chiefs had serious interest in drafting Paxton Lynch in the 2016 Draft to groom for a potential QBOTF for the team. And they need to look at the 2017 QB class to seriously evaluate the position. Smith will be 33 years old when the '17 season begins, and while he hasn't shown any signs of degradation in his game, it's simply a numbers game once an NFL player hits their mid 30's.

His current contract runs through the 2018 season. Depending upon his health and Smith's own personal outlook towards the future, I could see the team giving him a two or three year deal going into the 2019 season.

However, consideringing his age and contract, I would expect the Chiefs to very seriously look at this next year's crop of QB's for a QBOTF.

Nick Foles is 27. Tyler Bray is 24. Do the Chiefs consider either to be the long term solution to the QBOTF question?

Reid's offensive system is complex and it is predicated on accuracy and timing. He also likes a somewhat mobile QB that provides a scramble/run option element to the offense. I'm not sure that either Foles or Bray gives that at a full time starter level.

Personally, I think that they were surprised that Kevin Hogan was snatched off the practice squad as they viewed him as someone that was worth considering as a potential QBOTF from a development perspective. I think that they roll the dice again, and might even move up for a guy they like as they do have quite a number of picks in the 2017 draft, which is the first draft that will allow compensatory draft picks to be traded.

However, back to the OP - no, I don't think that they resign Nick Foles for $10 million per. I think that Bray and he are very similiar type of QB's and Bray will most likely move into the #2 spot for the 2017 season. Foles was signed because Daniel signed with Philadelphia. He knew the system and it was an easy plug in for the #2 spot going into the beginning of the season. Bray will be that guy in 2017 and they will draft a potential QBOTF in the '17 Draft, which is not a great QB class, so they will really have to fall in love with a guy . They will probably even look at bringing back Hogan or even possibly Murray for insurance purposes.

RINGLEADER · 11-07-2016, 11:23 AM

I think the $10mm option was insurance for the Chiefs in case Alex went down and Foles played lights out. No way they resign him at that level but he's a decent back-up (defined as someone who can come in and win a couple games - which he has done). No way I'd trade having Berry or Poe longer term to keep a back-up QB though...

Red Dawg · 11-07-2016, 11:25 AM

Dump Alex, give Nick his 10 mil for one season and draft a damn QB in the early rounds.

Saccopoo · 11-07-2016, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Dump Alex, give Nick his 10 mil for one season and draft a damn QB in the early rounds.

Good plan.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Dump Alex, give Nick his 10 mil for one season and draft a damn QB in the early rounds.

MIAdragon · 11-07-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa

I don't love Alex Smith by any means, but he makes that throw 100% of the time.

Sarcasm I assume.

oldman · 11-07-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unless Foles makes a huge a progression in Reid's offense this year (which is highly unlikely, IMO), no one is going to give Foles a starting job, let alone a "Premium" back up job.

His best bet, IMO, is continue to work with Reid as a backup QB and maybe get a chance to start somewhere in 2018 or 2019.

I just don't think there's going to be a market for Foles.

I agree, he hasn't shown me that he's anything more than a backup. With Bray still on the roster, paying $10M for Foles is foolish, especially when we have better uses for that money.

BWillie · 11-07-2016, 12:32 PM

Depends on how long you expect Smith to keep playing. Think Foles has more upside. Prob have to let him walk but I kind of like the idea of keeping him around for another year as a QB in waiting

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-07-2016, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Think Foles has more upside.

**Bowser** · 11-07-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Dump Alex, give Nick his 10 mil for one season and draft a damn QB in the early rounds.

I'm going to assume you watched a game from his 2013 season yesterday, not the game against the Jaguars.

11-07-2016, 08:38 AM
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11-07-2016, 10:48 AM	#31
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11-07-2016, 10:51 AM	#33
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11-07-2016, 11:23 AM	#36
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	As an NFL starter, Nick Foles is not better than Alex Smith. (And Smith is a very good NFL starting level QB.) Nick Foles is perfect for this team in the role he is currently serving in. The question is as posed in the OP - is he better than Tyler Bray in the #2 role for the 2017 season? That will probably be ruminated for the rest of the season by Dorsey and the coaching staff and equate it to the dollars required to keep him in that role and what it costs to keep Bray in the #3 position or finally move him up to the #2 (if they deem him capable of filling that role). I personally feel that the Chiefs had serious interest in drafting Paxton Lynch in the 2016 Draft to groom for a potential QBOTF for the team. And they need to look at the 2017 QB class to seriously evaluate the position. Smith will be 33 years old when the '17 season begins, and while he hasn't shown any signs of degradation in his game, it's simply a numbers game once an NFL player hits their mid 30's. His current contract runs through the 2018 season. Depending upon his health and Smith's own personal outlook towards the future, I could see the team giving him a two or three year deal going into the 2019 season. However, consideringing his age and contract, I would expect the Chiefs to very seriously look at this next year's crop of QB's for a QBOTF. Nick Foles is 27. Tyler Bray is 24. Do the Chiefs consider either to be the long term solution to the QBOTF question? Reid's offensive system is complex and it is predicated on accuracy and timing. He also likes a somewhat mobile QB that provides a scramble/run option element to the offense. I'm not sure that either Foles or Bray gives that at a full time starter level. Personally, I think that they were surprised that Kevin Hogan was snatched off the practice squad as they viewed him as someone that was worth considering as a potential QBOTF from a development perspective. I think that they roll the dice again, and might even move up for a guy they like as they do have quite a number of picks in the 2017 draft, which is the first draft that will allow compensatory draft picks to be traded. However, back to the OP - no, I don't think that they resign Nick Foles for $10 million per. I think that Bray and he are very similiar type of QB's and Bray will most likely move into the #2 spot for the 2017 season. Foles was signed because Daniel signed with Philadelphia. He knew the system and it was an easy plug in for the #2 spot going into the beginning of the season. Bray will be that guy in 2017 and they will draft a potential QBOTF in the '17 Draft, which is not a great QB class, so they will really have to fall in love with a guy . They will probably even look at bringing back Hogan or even possibly Murray for insurance purposes.
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11-07-2016, 11:23 AM	#37
RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8070503	I think the $10mm option was insurance for the Chiefs in case Alex went down and Foles played lights out. No way they resign him at that level but he's a decent back-up (defined as someone who can come in and win a couple games - which he has done). No way I'd trade having Berry or Poe longer term to keep a back-up QB though...
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11-07-2016, 11:25 AM	#38
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11-07-2016, 12:32 PM	#43
BWillie Are you ready to Rumble? Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $-1458759	Depends on how long you expect Smith to keep playing. Think Foles has more upside. Prob have to let him walk but I kind of like the idea of keeping him around for another year as a QB in waiting
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