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Dante84 · 12-14-2018, 11:59 AM

Who would be the best fit to help us win quick?

rabblerouser · 12-15-2018, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Richard is in Dallas. Not available

But not as DC.

He would most certainly be interested in a raise to DC on a team like KC, who is realistically a player or two away from a change to the 4-3 anyway...

12-15-2018, 07:49 AM

I think Reid will fire Sutton for this reason: Reid wants a Super Bowl and knows Mahomes gives him a window. I think we will see Sutton "retire" because Reid will not let this stand in his way. Also, I think Veach will weigh in to move on. It's more difficult to evaluate talent/Veach when the entire defensive staff sucks so bad no one wants to hire them away. It's clear. Sutton and his staff stand in the way of a Mahomes era. Oh, and Clark Hunt will make his opinion known, too. Hunt/Reid/Mahomes can generate billions of dollars. Sutton won't be allowed to screw that up.

rabblerouser · 12-15-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Almost wish they'd change to a 43 and draft some hybrid LB's that can fly, because that's what the league is changing to. Dunno how current personnel would fit.

Our personnel seems to be headed that way already :

Breeland Speaks is a classic 4-3 end, Jones and Nadi would be a KILLER NT/UT combo, and Bailey can probably be more effective as a 4-3 end...

Houston and Ford outside, Hitchens will be better able to maximize his talents with the 4 man...

We have personnel that is best suited for the 4-3 NOW.

Change of coordinator and a player or two in the secondary, this defense could dominate.

rabblerouser · 12-15-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Moon

I think Reid will fire Sutton for this reason: Reid wants a Super Bowl and knows Mahomes gives him a window. I think we will see Sutton "retire" because Reid will not let this stand in his way. Also, I think Veach will weigh in to move on. It's more difficult to evaluate talent/Veach when the entire defensive staff sucks so bad no one wants to hire them away. It's clear. Sutton and his staff stand in the way of a Mahomes era. Oh, and Clark Hunt will make his opinion known, too. Hunt/Reid/Mahomes can generate billions of dollars. Sutton won't be allowed to screw that up.

They already DO generate billions of dollars.

Lots of supposition in your post.

gold_and_red · 12-15-2018, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Our personnel seems to be headed that way already :

Breeland Speaks is a classic 4-3 end, Jones and Nadi would be a KILLER NT/UT combo, and Bailey can probably be more effective as a 4-3 end...

Houston and Ford outside, Hitchens will be better able to maximize his talents with the 4 man...

We have personnel that is best suited for the 4-3 NOW.

Change of coordinator and a player or two in the secondary, this defense could dominate.

Not sure of Ford in a 4-3.

kcpasco · 12-15-2018, 08:10 AM

Someone who can communicate with his DB’s on who to guard would be nice.

UChieffyBugger · 12-15-2018, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Richard is in Dallas. Not available

He's not their defensive coordinator though, Rod Marinelli is.

It's also interesting to note the ages and experiences of some of the best DC's around right now.

Rod Marinelli= 69 and a former head coach.

Wade Phillips= 71 and a former head coach

Don Martindale= 55

Vic Fangio= 60

Todd Wash= 50

Gus Bradley= 52 and a former head coach

Leslie Frazier= 59 and a former head coach

Etc etc. So the vast majority are veteran guys and most have head coaching experience. I must say, Rex Ryan would probably fit the profile hands down tbh

ILChief · 12-15-2018, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Our personnel seems to be headed that way already :

Breeland Speaks is a classic 4-3 end, Jones and Nadi would be a KILLER NT/UT combo, and Bailey can probably be more effective as a 4-3 end...

Houston and Ford outside, Hitchens will be better able to maximize his talents with the 4 man...

We have personnel that is best suited for the 4-3 NOW.

Change of coordinator and a player or two in the secondary, this defense could dominate.

I'm fine with that. Ragland is the only player I can think of that would not work with a 4-3 and he's been awful and we can cut him with no penalty

chiefzilla1501 · 12-15-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

He's not their defensive coordinator though, Rod Marinelli is.

It's also interesting to note the ages and experiences of some of the best DC's around right now.

Rod Marinelli= 69 and a former head coach.

Wade Phillips= 71 and a former head coach

Don Martindale= 55

Vic Fangio= 60

Todd Wash= 50

Gus Bradley= 52 and a former head coach

Leslie Frazier= 59 and a former head coach

Etc etc. So the vast majority are veteran guys and most have head coaching experience. I must say, Rex Ryan would probably fit the profile hands down tbh

Can't see it happening. The Chiefs are actively moving away from the scheme Ryan built. Mario Williams was furious about being asked to play 5 technique. We seem more interested in our guys playing 1 gap. I'll pass on Rex. His scheme has to be outstanding to be worth the headache.

rabblerouser · 12-15-2018, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gold_and_red

Not sure of Ford in a 4-3.

I wasn't sure of Ford in a 3-4 until this year.

rabblerouser · 12-15-2018, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Can't see it happening. The Chiefs are actively moving away from the scheme Ryan built. Mario Williams was furious about being asked to play 5 technique. We seem more interested in our guys playing 1 gap. I'll pass on Rex. His scheme has to be outstanding to be worth the headache.

Rex Ryan plays the 1gap 3-4, same as Bob Sutton.

ILChief · 12-15-2018, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Rex Ryan plays the 1gap 3-4, same as Bob Sutton.

Ewww

I doubt Ryan leaves ESPN anyway

CaliforniaChief · 12-15-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Ewww

I doubt Ryan leaves ESPN anyway

Agree. He's got his foot in the door over there now and probably doesn't want to step on their toes.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-15-2018, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Rex Ryan plays the 1gap 3-4, same as Bob Sutton.

Ryan ran a scheme with two 5 techniques and a 0 technique. Dorsey has talked about how year 2, Sutton adjusted his scheme to get more speed on the DL(signed Vance walker). Suttons original scheme wasn't one gap. Remember... Mike Devito.

Read up on Mario Williams complaints about how he was used in Buffalo. Definitely two gap.

oldman · 12-15-2018, 10:20 AM

As much as I like the 3-4 (more LBs, more better), I think we have to go with a 4-3. I agree with both Rabblerouser and IL that it wouldn't be that hard to switch. I haven't watched enough of other teams to make a wise choice on who would be a good DC, but then again, a bag of rocks is better than Sutton. I'm tired of seeing a 5 yard run up the middle as a victory for the D.

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Chiefs Moon Guest Casino cash: $	I think Reid will fire Sutton for this reason: Reid wants a Super Bowl and knows Mahomes gives him a window. I think we will see Sutton "retire" because Reid will not let this stand in his way. Also, I think Veach will weigh in to move on. It's more difficult to evaluate talent/Veach when the entire defensive staff sucks so bad no one wants to hire them away. It's clear. Sutton and his staff stand in the way of a Mahomes era. Oh, and Clark Hunt will make his opinion known, too. Hunt/Reid/Mahomes can generate billions of dollars. Sutton won't be allowed to screw that up.
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oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	As much as I like the 3-4 (more LBs, more better), I think we have to go with a 4-3. I agree with both Rabblerouser and IL that it wouldn't be that hard to switch. I haven't watched enough of other teams to make a wise choice on who would be a good DC, but then again, a bag of rocks is better than Sutton. I'm tired of seeing a 5 yard run up the middle as a victory for the D.
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