Dalton to cowboys

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[oldman]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Smart move, motivation and trade bait.

I'm not sure how much "trade bait" value there is on a 1 year contract. If someone else needed a QB that badly, one would think another team would have signed him.

Originally Posted by KCJake

That team is loaded with talent. Both sides of the football. Yet, in that crummy division they can only muster 8 wins. Doesn't some of that fall back on the Quarterback? This guys supposedly "top 10" in the league right?

I would think a "top 10" QB with a team loaded with talent on both sides of the ball could muster more than 8 wins. We went 10-6 and 12-4 in Smith's last 2 years with Bob Sutton as our DC.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by oldman

I'm not sure how much "trade bait" value there is on a 1 year contract. If someone else needed a QB that badly, one would think another team would have signed him.

Do you even NFL?

Every year, contenders lose their starters. Last year, Brees missed 5 games but Sean Payton was smart enough to sign Teddy Bridgewater to a 1 year deal for $7.25 million to Dalton's $7 million, and the Saints went 5-0 in the interim.

The Chiefs signed a 35 year old that hadn't played football in more than a year, who didn't even go to training camp yet went 2-1 (3-1 if you recognize that Moore led the Chiefs to victory in the game Mahomes was injured).

Teams always need QB's.

Originally Posted by oldman

I would think a "top 10" QB with a team loaded with talent on both sides of the ball could muster more than 8 wins. We went 10-6 and 12-4 in Smith's last 2 years with Bob Sutton as our DC.

And yet Matthew Stafford hasn't led Detroit to a winning season in years, Aaron Rodgers couldn't lead the Packers to a winning season in 2018 and went 6-9-1 and so on.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PurpleRiders51

I look for Dalton to take Dak's job by week 6, also I wouldn't be at all shocked if Dalton looked fantastic behind that O-Line with those weapons. Could see Andy making a PO run with Dallas, he's better than most people give him credit for.

He had an all-world OL a lot of his career in Cincy. And he's had AJ Green most of that time. Started his career with a pretty insane supporting cast that included AJ, Marvin Jones, Sanu. People have him rated about right. He's a low-tier starter, great backup. With a great supporting cast he's going to get you 3,500 yards, 20 TDs, 10-15 INTs while taking 30 sacks. Not bad, but not great. That's assuming the OL is perfect. It had better be with him back there.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He is basically damon Huard. Sure with an elite supporting offensive cast he can put up Alex Smith like numbers. But good luck winning any big games and expect a ton of really bad games in between. He's an outstanding backup and not a bad option for a team looking for a 1-2 year stopgap starter. He's not top 10. Dak is.

Oh dude.

No.

Dalton is a mid level NFL starter. He's smart, and will run your offense, and will not get you beat.

Huard was terrible.

Not the same thing at all.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

With Jason Garrett and Dalton I can't imagine that team winning more than 4 games. Even in a shit division. Dak is top 10. I don't even know if Dalton is top 20. This is like chiefs fans getting hyped up over ditching Alex Smith because of Damon Huard. I get the limitations with Dak. But if they're trying to move on from him Dalton ain't the answer.

Uh, Garrett is gone. Thanks for paying attention.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Oh dude.

No.

Dalton is a mid level NFL starter. He's smart, and will run your offense, and will not get you beat.

Huard was terrible.

Not the same thing at all.

Maybe not Damon Huard. But he's certainly no Alex Smith. If you don't give him all world pass pro he will definitely get you beat. even if you do the guy has a ton of wtf games and is really bad in big games. Sure as a qb he does give you 9-7 upside. But that's about where it ends. Again, tremendous pickup but he's being seriously overrated here. He's good not great.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Uh, Garrett is gone. Thanks for paying attention.

Uh, read again to what I was responding to

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

You'd have to be a braindead dipshit to think Andy is better than Dak. There's a reason the Bengals said yeah **** him, lets cut him for a rookie.

Dak is good while Andy is average in literally ****ing everything. Dak just isn't reset the market good.

Problem for Jerruh is they drafted so well he might have a good enough year to justify resetting the market if a Pat extension doesn't happen beforehand.

He's more talented without question.

But the whole team has been so undisciplined, it's hard to tell what the **** is actually going on.

You might literally be better off going with the less talented, more scheme disciplined player in Dalton.

To be fair, I watched two Dallas games this season, but in both I was just struck by the fact that half the time I couldn't even tell what they were trying to do. It was like street ball.

Dak clearly has a lot of physical talent. More than most. But he's not been running an NFL offense with any efficiency. It's pretty ****ed up.

Can he? Well, yeah, maybe. Garrett was clearly a shit coach, and his entire team was entirely undisciplined.

Maybe that can change with McCarthy; at least I don't ever remember GB being street-ballers.

But Dalton is a mid-level NFL starting QB. He's Alex Smith, more or less. It's possible that you might get better results with THAT than Dak unless Dak can adjust to a disciplined offense.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Maybe not Damon Huard. But he's certainly no Alex Smith. If you don't give him all world pass pro he will definitely get you beat. even if you do the guy has a ton of wtf games and is really bad in big games. Sure as a qb he does give you 9-7 upside. But that's about where it ends. Again, tremendous pickup but he's being seriously overrated here. He's good not great.

he's taken much less talented teams than the current Dallas roster to more than 9-7.

given the team talent differential, he could totally take that team to 11-5 or 12-4.

He took pretty pedestrian Bengals teams to 10-6 and 11-5.

Dallas has as much individual talent as any team in football. They're perennial underachievers.

I'm not saying you bench Dak-but I AM saying that if Dak can't adjust to actually running a damned NFL offense you need to cut your losses and move on.

He's not really done that, in my opinion. It's a lot of duck and chuck.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He's more talented without question.

But the whole team has been so undisciplined, it's hard to tell what the **** is actually going on.

You might literally be better off going with the less talented, more scheme disciplined player in Dalton.

To be fair, I watched two Dallas games this season, but in both I was just struck by the fact that half the time I couldn't even tell what they were trying to do. It was like street ball.

Dak clearly has a lot of physical talent. More than most. But he's not been running an NFL offense with any efficiency. It's pretty ****ed up.

Can he? Well, yeah, maybe. Garrett was clearly a shit coach, and his entire team was entirely undisciplined.

Maybe that can change with McCarthy; at least I don't ever remember GB being street-ballers.

But Dalton is a mid-level NFL starting QB. He's Alex Smith, more or less. It's possible that you might get better results with THAT than Dak unless Dak can adjust to a disciplined offense.

Well, the competition might force Dak to grow up a little and that's probably a big reason Dalton was signed. Mccarthy studied up a ton on modern offenses in his off year and i can't imagine he doesn't borrow from Reid's playbook. If he's smart he'll design the offense for Dak to play with less structure just as Reid did. I agree I'm a little skeptical he can fix all of Dak. But It's kind of the Alex Smith debate all over again. Except you have a worse version of Alex Smith and you have the high upside qb already on your roster. Sure you can go safe but id much rather roll the dice.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Uh, Garrett is gone. Thanks for paying attention.

He was talking about last year, I know it isn't clear...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

he's taken much less talented teams than the current Dallas roster to more than 9-7.

given the team talent differential, he could totally take that team to 11-5 or 12-4.

He took pretty pedestrian Bengals teams to 10-6 and 11-5.

Dallas has as much individual talent as any team in football. They're perennial underachievers.

I'm not saying you bench Dak-but I AM saying that if Dak can't adjust to actually running a damned NFL offense you need to cut your losses and move on.

He's not really done that, in my opinion. It's a lot of duck and chuck.

I wouldn't call those Bengals pedestrian. The defense Zimmer built was terrific. He had elite receivers. His OL was pretty consistently in PFFs top 10 in their good years. The Bengals were loaded early in his career. I think people forget that. Aj green, Marvin Jones, sanu... That's outrageous. Would you agree that my stat line seems accurate? Assuming a good supporting cast in Dallas 3500 yards, 20 TDs, 10-15 INTs. It's OK. Not bad, not great.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wouldn't call those Bengals pedestrian. The defense Zimmer built was terrific. He had elite receivers. His OL was pretty consistently in PFFs top 10 in their good years. The Bengals were loaded early in his career. I think people forget that. Aj green, Marvin Jones, sanu... That's outrageous. Would you agree that my stat line seems accurate? Assuming a good supporting cast in Dallas 3500 yards, 20 TDs, 10-15 INTs. It's OK. Not bad, not great.

Basically this. Early on, Dalton had the benefit of one of the best defenses in the league, and some pretty good weapons on offense. I never really watched the Bengals that much, so I can't be precise as to why exactly they failed so much, but when you see how many times they went to the playoffs and that they lost each and every one, it doesn't make Dalton look like a top-tier QB.

Put another way, in his four playoff games, Andy Dalton led his offense to 43 points total. Not even 11 points/game. 55% completion rate, and just one (1) TD in four games, 4 fumbles, with 6 INTs. That's just bad.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Do you even NFL?

Every year, contenders lose their starters. Last year, Brees missed 5 games but Sean Payton was smart enough to sign Teddy Bridgewater to a 1 year deal for $7.25 million to Dalton's $7 million, and the Saints went 5-0 in the interim.

The Chiefs signed a 35 year old that hadn't played football in more than a year, who didn't even go to training camp yet went 2-1 (3-1 if you recognize that Moore led the Chiefs to victory in the game Mahomes was injured).

Teams always need QB's.

Yes, I do NFL and probably a lot longer than you. My point was, why would you trade a person on a one year contract. I realize players do get hurt and one might be your starting QB. It would be unwise to trade your backup unless you had a whole lot of faith in your #3. BTW, Moore went 2-1, not 3-1 if you give him the victory in Denver.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Basically this. Early on, Dalton had the benefit of one of the best defenses in the league, and some pretty good weapons on offense. I never really watched the Bengals that much, so I can't be precise as to why exactly they failed so much, but when you see how many times they went to the playoffs and that they lost each and every one, it doesn't make Dalton look like a top-tier QB.

Put another way, in his four playoff games, Andy Dalton led his offense to 43 points total. Not even 11 points/game. 55% completion rate, and just one (1) TD in four games, 4 fumbles, with 6 INTs. That's just bad.

Head coach with a Marty like way of losing games. A qb who was consistently horrible in big games (something like 5 - 19 record in big games with some embarrassing performances). Throw in a few knuckleheads who make boneheaded mistakes in big moments. Recipe for disaster.

Got a lot of friends who went through the Dalton era. It reminded me of Marty's chargers where it was just so unimaginable that a team with that much talent couldn't win big games.