Believe it or not, Veach isn’t don’t yet.

[Direckshun]

So the rocky two years we’re looking at, cap wise, are 2020 and 2021.

But Mahomes just opened up everything by taking a $500m deal that’s still, somehow, a sweetheart deal for those two years, cap-wise.

We are basically at the cap right now assuming our draft picks swallow up the 6m in cap space we have post-Mahomes.

Jones’ deal, if he were extended, could open up about 10m in 2020. And we could have the cap space in 2021 if we do some smart finangling like effectively replace Fisher with Niang and/or extend Tyrann Matthieu and Travis Kelce. All sorts of options on the table there.

Of course, Jones being traded still makes the most sense, given the Chiefs apparent inaction towards him. That would net us 16m, and give us additional draft ammunition to replace Watkins or Jones or Hitchens or any of our starting corners in 2021/2022.

Of course, Jones could simply be traded for a player we could use, like Ngakuoe or Brandon Scherff + draft capital, both options would cost the team less than the Jones megadeal, which would allow us to sign Snacks, or some such player.

Or Jones could be extended and the defense could get further fortified if some free agent studs like Clowney bring their price down.

Give Veach some credit here: if your goal was to get a Jones deal by the deadline, or a well-valued trade for him to get some assets or players in return, then you needed to knock this massive domino down. And not only did Veach do that, he did it in such as way as it gives the team endless flexibility with Mahomes’ contract through at least 2027.

We ain’t done yet, folks. This is the golden era of Chiefs football.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

As long as he never dips to 2018 levels again we'll be fine.

Jury is still out on 2018. 1st round used to get Mahomes in 2017. Speaks still has a chance. Nandi is a keeper. Watts is not horrible.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Thanks to reputable reporting, I do have some idea. It’s not ironclad but I rely on reputable reporting to give me some idea of what’s coming down the pipeline.

Where was the "reputable reporting" when it came to Mahomes contract?

There's been NO reporting on Chris Jones because there's been nothing to report, yet it doesn't stop you from constantly speculating.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You do the same — you cited reporting that the Raiders offered the most to Clowney. (By the way, the reputable reporting I’ve read disputes that and cites Cleveland as the highest bidder, and that teams as of now have largely rescinded their offers as they’ve grown tired of Clowney’s intransigence.)

That's because multiple news outlets have run stories on Clowney's situation, including the Browns, Seattle and Raiders offers.

No one has said anything about Jones other than there's nothing to report.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Just throwing out a name that could be an equitable player ina player-for-player trade. Sub another name in as you please.

And it makes zero sense to do so.

The Chiefs aren't looking to replace Jones with another player who's worth $20 million per year. If they're not going to extend Jones, they'll want draft pick compensation, i.e., cheap labor, in return. They're not looking to add another player that's going to max out their cap and flexibility.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

There has been some ballyhooing since Spags arrival that Jones is an imperfect fit in the scheme. I agree that he is, but he’s so damn talented it doesn’t matter, which is why I’d pay him.

But we know Spags is a stickler for what players on his DL should look and how they should play. And if he thinks $20m could be better spent on a player that “fits” versus a player that imperfectly fits, who knows.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Any deal the Chiefs ostensibly sign Clowney to would be a one-year, in my mind. I could go on but I’d only reiterate what Duncan has said throughout the thread.

And as I've said, there's no way Clowney signs for $10 million at age 27 when he's passed on $18.5 million per from Seattle, another team that was a few plays away last season from the Super Bowl.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

As long as he never dips to 2018 levels again we'll be fine.

Take a look at the 2018 draft overall and you'll see that it wasn't a year that was particularly loaded.

It's certainly not like the 2017 draft in which Dorsey could have taken JuJu or Kamara over Tanoh or George Kittle and Desmond King over Jehu Chesson.

Some years are just better than others for overall talent.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Jury is still out on 2018. 1st round used to get Mahomes in 2017. Speaks still has a chance. Nandi is a keeper. Watts is not horrible.

The jury came back after the AFCCG.

The Chiefs failed to add a single difference maker on defense, and the rookie class was so bad that year Andrew Wylie, who wasn’t even drafted, won the team’s rookie of the year.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

The jury came back after the AFCCG.

The Chiefs failed to add a single difference maker on defense, and the rookie class was so bad that year Andrew Wylie, who wasn’t even drafted, won the team’s rookie of the year.

Don't dagree.

Mahomes always figures into the 18 draft. Needed that chip to get him in 17.
Nandi is a huge piece of the D-line
Speaks still could be.
Watts and DOD are still pieces that contribute. ST's count too. As does depth.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

As long as he never dips to 2018 levels again we'll be fine.

Unless we don’t have a 1st round pick in a weak draft, it won’t.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

His cap hits were $3.6 million in 2018 and $5.28 million last season. That’s cheap.

You guys need to seriously look at contracts on a year-to-year basis instead of the overall contract.

This is the first year he’s making big money and he can be a post June cut next year with only $8 million total dead money. Not great but you guys are acting like this is Justin Houston or Eric Berry contracts

8 million dead money is significant. That's a Travis Kelce sitting around in dead money.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If Clowney needs $15 million on a one-year deal, it doesn’t work.

But they can find a way to make $10-12 million work if the Jones extension is set up to lower his year 1 cap hit. That could get them to around $14M under the cap.

I’d spend money on Clowney (or Everson Griffen, or Logan Ryan) because it makes the defense better.

Clowney and Griffen would immediately be the second best DE on the team. And major upgrades.

Harris, Danna, and Ward are not factors yet. You’re talking about a round 5 guy and a couple of street FAs.

Taco Charlton is just a Hail Mary signing. Speaks and Kpass are depth. Okafor would probably be another casualty to find the rest of the money, as I think they save $4 million if he’s cut.

It’s mostly a thought exercise. Suggs helped the defense a lot, and I’m not confident they have a second DE on the roster that can give them what he did.

When your GM is as aggressive as Brett Veach, it is fun - and makes some sense - to look at aggressive moves that are at least quasi possible.

Tanoh started and played most of the Super Bowl. That seems to be more than "depth."

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Tanoh started and played most of the Super Bowl. That seems to be more than "depth."

He came in for Jones on the first drive. When he came in is when the drive stalled for the 49ers and they had to settle for the FG.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Take a look at the 2018 draft overall and you'll see that it wasn't a year that was particularly loaded.

It's certainly not like the 2017 draft in which Dorsey could have taken JuJu or Kamara over Tanoh or George Kittle and Desmond King over Jehu Chesson.

Some years are just better than others for overall talent.

2018 isn't the greatest draft in Chiefs history, but even then time has shown that it wasn't the worst, either.

Derrick Nnadi is a pretty damn good player. He's started every single game as a pro, and he earned all of those starts by winning the job under two entirely different coaching staffs. Daly and Spags didn't owe Nnadi jack shit in 2019-- he had to earn that starting spot at NT, which he did.

We got a starter out of the draft, and we're going to get 4 complete seasons of cheap yet solid play out of him. No redshirt years.

You usually hope to get more out of that in any particular draft, and while it's true that Speaks, Watts, and O'Daniel could all get cut this offseason, it's more likely we'll get 2 of them to stick around and at least provide some depth (not sure about O'Daniel at this point).

In any case, it sure beats Pioli's first draft as GM.

[Sassy Squatch]

I'll actually be a bit shocked if Speaks doesn't break out a bit. He's legit playing for his career now and from what I've seen is in the best shape since joining the Chiefs.

[Coogs]

All of those defenders in the 18 class had Bob in 18, and Spags in 19. This year will start to tell the overall grade on that class. The Mahomes piece needed from that year and Nnadi make the draft solid. Speaks, DOD, and Watts have a chance to make it a pretty damn good draft.

It's the trade for Speaks that irritates everyone. He has a chance to silence those critics this season. Playing out of position under Bob shouldn't be factored in. Nor should pulling up on the tackle on Brady the way flags were flying at that time in that season.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

2018 isn't the greatest draft in Chiefs history, but even then time has shown that it wasn't the worst, either.

Derrick Nnadi is a pretty damn good player. He's started every single game as a pro, and he earned all of those starts by winning the job under two entirely different coaching staffs. Daly and Spags didn't owe Nnadi jack shit in 2019-- he had to earn that starting spot at NT, which he did.

We got a starter out of the draft, and we're going to get 4 complete seasons of cheap yet solid play out of him. No redshirt years.

You usually hope to get more out of that in any particular draft, and while it's true that Speaks, Watts, and O'Daniel could all get cut this offseason, it's more likely we'll get 2 of them to stick around and at least provide some depth (not sure about O'Daniel at this point).

In any case, it sure beats Pioli's first draft as GM.

Nnadi was a brilliant pick. I remember some folks wanting Kirk in round 2, while others of us opined for a TE (I liked Goedert as I saw him play in college, and others liked Andrews out of OU).

I like Speaks, but Veach chose him over some guys that even fans could see as more viable options.

[Sassy Squatch]

Too bad Houston didn't let Peters two piece that geriatric ****. Despise him worse than Pioli and Cassel combined.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

I'll actually be a bit shocked if Speaks doesn't break out a bit. He's legit playing for his career now and from what I've seen is in the best shape since joining the Chiefs.

I think he will, too. He's got all the ability in the world and a big frame. Should be fun to watch.