Chiefs LNBS: This draft can set us up for long term success - Page 4

**BossChief** · 04-03-2021, 10:21 PM

We all know that the cap is going to explode and a lot of our star players contracts will during that time, as well. Including Mahomes. That’s why this draft is so incredibly important.

Here’s why.

If you’re drafting a guard, LB, Center, safety or other position that second contracts cost 10-15m per year, they need to play well right away to get a good ROI on the pick in relation to the cap.

If you draft a stud WR or an above average LT in the late first, that’s 20-30m per year in value for the pick, so a 1 year acclimation period isn’t as big of a deal. Especially on the first rounders you get 5 years of cost control of. Not having to fill high price tag offensive positions through free agency is HUGE.

That’s why this is a PERFECT draft for the Kansas City Chiefs.

We have pressing needs at the positions this draft offers talent at in both quality and quantity. There are high quality WRs and OTs deep into the middle and even later rounds of this draft. Brett Veach is about to completely offset the expensive years of Mahomes contract by drafting huge values that we have needs at. I could see him getting 2 good WRs, a starting DE and a solid LT in this draft. Eliminating the need to bolster those positions for a few years through big free agent contracts.

Just the thought of having both OTs, 3WRs, CEH and Kelce (even as he ages, we will be grooming his eventual replacement) together and at mostly dirt cheap cap numbers to surround with top level playmakers coming into his prime makes my dick hard.

If Veach identifies the right talents at our need spots, that opens up the WHOLE CAP going forward over the next few years to go after big time defenders in free agency because the big price tags on offense will be filled.

kccrow · 04-06-2021, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dorsey drafted Dee Ford and Marcus Peters too. For all of the talent, you don't get credit for drafting players that are broken, physically or mentally.

For all of the great work he did with the offense, Dorsey built a terrible defense, hamstrung by soft players and bad contracts.

To be fair, Dorsey didn't want to re-sign Berry which was one of the worst contracts and decisions by the Chiefs maybe ever.

InChiefsHeaven · 04-06-2021, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

Chiefs look to add talent via the draft

Chiefs look to keep winning games, return to Championship Game

htismaqe · 04-06-2021, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

To be fair, Dorsey didn't want to re-sign Berry which was one of the worst contracts and decisions by the Chiefs maybe ever.

He's the one that wanted to keep Justin Houston, which ended up nearly as bad.

The point is that nobody is faultless. Dorsey isn't some genius and Veach isn't just some slouch either.

They both have had their successes and their failures. One of them however has been to two Super Bowls and the other has been fired twice in just about the same amount of time.

O.city · 04-06-2021, 11:31 AM

It's almost like it's really ****ing hard to build and keep teams together and there's so much shit out of your control.

Get the QB and the coach right, plug along.

O.city · 04-06-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

He absolutely has a lot of contributors. He needs to hit on some pillars now and do so by getting some studs, although Sneed just may be one. We'll see. Thornhill is also a hell of a player if he gets back to 100% this year. Nnadi is definitely solid for his position. I want to see him hit on LT, DE, and CB in the next 2 drafts, at least. And get us some more Super Bowls.

Getting those positions at where we'll be drafting aren't easy. Will have to develop them from lower rounders likely.

We've got the coaching staff for it, thankfully.

CB is overvalued in these parts (myself included). The Chiefs have dominated the league for years now with not much there.

Front 7 is where it's at.

Titty Meat · 04-06-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's the one that wanted to keep Justin Houston, which ended up nearly as bad.

The point is that nobody is faultless. Dorsey isn't some genius and Veach isn't just some slouch either.

They both have had their successes and their failures. One of them however has been to two Super Bowls and the other has been fired twice in just about the same amount of time.

Only a reerun would have not resigned Houston

JakeF · 04-06-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dorsey drafted Dee Ford and Marcus Peters too. For all of the talent, you don't get credit for drafting players that are broken, physically or mentally.

For all of the great work he did with the offense, Dorsey built a terrible defense, hamstrung by soft players and bad contracts.

Both players had great talent.

If Ford wasn't injury prone he goes down as a great pass rusher.

Marcus Peter is doing ok in Baltimore. He either needed different coaches or to just grow up.

both players were worth the risk

Whenever Veach takes a risk everyone cheers and talks about what a big set a balls he has. Since Dorsey is no longer a Chief, people trash him.

It's a KC thing, once you leave you are a worthless POS

Andy Reid was wrong to kick Dorsey out of town. We need more than one person running the team. Now Reid runs everything and it shows.

O.city · 04-06-2021, 02:16 PM

Yeah, it shows. Damn those...checks notes....back to back SB appearances.

htismaqe · 04-06-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Only a reerun would have not resigned Houston

There was no reason to give him that kind of contract structure at all.

htismaqe · 04-06-2021, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Both players had great talent.

If Ford wasn't injury prone he goes down as a great pass rusher.

Ford was injured BEFORE he was ever drafted. More than once, and one of them was his back.

Worth the risk?

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Whenever Veach takes a risk everyone cheers and talks about what a big set a balls he has. Since Dorsey is no longer a Chief, people trash him.

That's just the thing. I'm not TRASHING Dorsey. I'm also not going to bow down and kiss his feet. He has his own issues, particularly with working as a team and ceding power. That's why he's been FIRED twice in the last 3 years.

You know there is a middle ground between a shit GM and a great GM and right now, it's occupied by BOTH Veach and Dorsey, right?

It's a KC thing, once you leave you are a worthless POS

The inability for CP to see anything other than black and white is always amazing to me.

Titty Meat · 04-06-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There was no reason to give him that kind of contract structure at all.

He had like 21 sacks in 14 his contract wasnt the issue he was going to get paid. Its nobody's fault his leg nearly snapped in half on a freak play.

kccrow · 04-06-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's the one that wanted to keep Justin Houston, which ended up nearly as bad.

The point is that nobody is faultless. Dorsey isn't some genius and Veach isn't just some slouch either.

They both have had their successes and their failures. One of them however has been to two Super Bowls and the other has been fired twice in just about the same amount of time.

I'm not giving Veach or Dorsey more credit for the Super Bowls, they deserve equal justification there. It certainly isn't a testament to Veach nor is it a knock on Dorsey. They brought in talent in different ways and it achieved the ultimate result as a whole.

Like was said, it would have taken an idiot not to re-sign Justin Houston. Injuries were the demise of the deal, but he did ultimately return to form and has been quite good in Indy. Berry was an issue before the ink was put to paper and it became worse. That's the difference for me regarding those deals.

They both have faults, varying to different degrees in the eyes of the beholder.

Chief Northman · 04-06-2021, 06:31 PM

Anyone know what Mathieu is griping about on Twitter?
He’s pissed over something..

ChiefAshhole1056 · 04-07-2021, 12:53 AM

I’d be interested to see what everyone’s tune on Veach would be if Shanny didn’t have cell service the night Trent Williams was deciding his fate. By all reports, Trent Williams pulled just short of an Emmanuel Sanders on KC. If that domino falls our way who knows how the rest of the offseason goes and essentially shapes Veach’s reputation. The guy did the work on his end, it just didn’t work out.

I’m excited to see what else he has up his sleeve though because he’s never been one for timidness, and could see him getting antsy after losing out on FA coming off a SB embarrassment. If there’s one thing Veach has displayed throughout his tenure it’s his aggressiveness, if there’s a player he likes that drops I think there’s going to be movement.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1735912	LNBS: This draft can set us up for long term success We all know that the cap is going to explode and a lot of our star players contracts will during that time, as well. Including Mahomes. That’s why this draft is so incredibly important. Here’s why. If you’re drafting a guard, LB, Center, safety or other position that second contracts cost 10-15m per year, they need to play well right away to get a good ROI on the pick in relation to the cap. If you draft a stud WR or an above average LT in the late first, that’s 20-30m per year in value for the pick, so a 1 year acclimation period isn’t as big of a deal. Especially on the first rounders you get 5 years of cost control of. Not having to fill high price tag offensive positions through free agency is HUGE. That’s why this is a PERFECT draft for the Kansas City Chiefs. We have pressing needs at the positions this draft offers talent at in both quality and quantity. There are high quality WRs and OTs deep into the middle and even later rounds of this draft. Brett Veach is about to completely offset the expensive years of Mahomes contract by drafting huge values that we have needs at. I could see him getting 2 good WRs, a starting DE and a solid LT in this draft. Eliminating the need to bolster those positions for a few years through big free agent contracts. Just the thought of having both OTs, 3WRs, CEH and Kelce (even as he ages, we will be grooming his eventual replacement) together and at mostly dirt cheap cap numbers to surround with top level playmakers coming into his prime makes my dick hard. If Veach identifies the right talents at our need spots, that opens up the WHOLE CAP going forward over the next few years to go after big time defenders in free agency because the big price tags on offense will be filled.
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ChiefAshhole1056 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Austin, TX Casino cash: $6191100	I’d be interested to see what everyone’s tune on Veach would be if Shanny didn’t have cell service the night Trent Williams was deciding his fate. By all reports, Trent Williams pulled just short of an Emmanuel Sanders on KC. If that domino falls our way who knows how the rest of the offseason goes and essentially shapes Veach’s reputation. The guy did the work on his end, it just didn’t work out. I’m excited to see what else he has up his sleeve though because he’s never been one for timidness, and could see him getting antsy after losing out on FA coming off a SB embarrassment. If there’s one thing Veach has displayed throughout his tenure it’s his aggressiveness, if there’s a player he likes that drops I think there’s going to be movement.
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